[Football] Lee Carsley - The National Anthem.

[Zeberdi]

I’m not at all bothered about whether he sings it or not.

I do find the ‘outrage’ of various news media platforms pandering to the plastic patriots rather tiresome. I started the tread as it is relevant to football, and this is , ostensibly a football board, with a variety of opinions represented, and was interested what other participants thought.

This.

Carsley never sang the Irish National Anthem all the years he played for Ireland nor the English National Anthem when he was coaching the U21s.

Carsley has a dual Irish/British nationality, so for that reason alone, would likely find singing the National Anthem of either Country problematic. Even more so in Dublin - I suspect Rice and Grealish will get some stick from the Irish fans if they do sing the English National Anthem this evening.

People need to stop conflating English football with nationalism or monarchism and suggesting that if you subscribe to neither, then you can’t be a genuine England fan or fit to be the manager of the squad.

It’s just competitive football at a national level ffs not a Civil War enactment and of little interest tbh to vast numbers of English League Club supporters.

Edit - should also add that ‘England’ hasn’t had a King since 1707.

 

[Doc Lynam]

He replaced Dunk with Maguire; the little interest I had has now gone.

 

[Springal]

He replaced Dunk with Maguire; the little interest I had has now gone.

No he didn’t

 

[Gwylan]

Always amusing to see the Dutch line up against the Spanish, with the Dutch declaring loyalty to the King Of Spain while the Spanish stand there in silence.

There must be Dutch people who object to their anthem too.

The Wilhelmus doesn't declare loyalty to the King of Spain. He says that he's tried to be loyal and was for many years. But because the Spanish have been such barstewards towards the Dutch, he's been forced to fight against them, like David did against Saul.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

He won’t be singing the National Anthem this evening, because, although born in Brum he represented Ireland as an international player. The usual suspects are pearl clutching and calling for his sacking.

I can’t say I’m remotely bothered about this, I was born in Sussex, and never represented any country at international level, I wouldn’t sing it either.

End of thread

 

[Doc Lynam]

No he didn’t

He’s not in the squad is he?

 

[lawros left foot]

Not bothered yet you went on NSC to tell people you’re not bothered

As I explained in a previous post, I’m not bothered if he sings the NA or not.
My reason for posting is more the fabricated outrage of various right wing organs that will use his non participation in the singing of the Anthem as a stick to beat him with.
I personally haven’t sung the NA for many, many, years, and will never do so again, but, I do quite like the majority of our country and I don’t believe my non participation impacts on my love for the country in any way. It certainly doesn’t affect the way I do my job,

I hope this has cleared up any confusion you have over my reasons for starting this thread.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Don’t blame him.

If I never had to hear that dirge again I’d be a happy man.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

As a foreigner, the illogical idea behind it is what stands out the most.

The song is about saving the God or Queen... yet it is the only (?) song title that sometimes changes when the subject of dies.

It appears entirely unrelated to England and get the impression that you're on a journey abroad and need to convince the primitivite inhabitants that there's some sort of relation between your King and whatever could be considered God.

It also struggles under a modern day fact check. If we look at the actual end results, they look dire. None of these Queens or Kings went on to have eternal life. Sure, the current one appears to be immortal (we have no evidence of the opposite) but this is probably subject to change within 0-20 years.

UK might have the richest music history of any country on earth. Surely there must be one or two songs describing the hills of Scotland or height of busses or your local pub culture or something a little bit more England?

Here are some better lyrics. And hats off if you know the song.

I've teamed up with the hippies now
I've got my fringe unfurled
I want to give peace, love and kisses out
To this whole stinking world
The gypsies, the travelers and the thieves
The good, the bad, the average and unique
The grebos the crusties and the goths
And the only living boy in New Cross

Eyes down and I'll keep you up to date
Two fat ladies in 1988
The safe sixteen lovers who lied
Purley's queen and mother makes five
Butchered bakers, deaf and dumb waiters
Marble Arch criminals and clause 28'ers
Authers, authors, plastered outcasts
Locked up daughter, rock and roll stars
Goodbye Rudy, David and Rosie
Abraham and Julianne
And everyone that knows me

The gypsies, the travelers and the thieves
The good, the bad, the average and unique
The grebos the crusties and you and I
Hello, good evening, welcome
And goodbye

 

[Han Solo]

Here are some better lyrics. And hats off if you know the song.

I've teamed up with the hippies now
I've got my fringe unfurled
I want to give peace, love and kisses out
To this whole stinking world
The gypsies, the travelers and the thieves
The good, the bad, the average and unique
The grebos the crusties and the goths
And the only living boy in New Cross

Eyes down and I'll keep you up to date
Two fat ladies in 1988
The safe sixteen lovers who lied
Purley's queen and mother makes five
Butchered bakers, deaf and dumb waiters
Marble Arch criminals and clause 28'ers
Authers, authors, plastered outcasts
Locked up daughter, rock and roll stars
Goodbye Rudy, David and Rosie
Abraham and Julianne
And everyone that knows me

The gypsies, the travelers and the thieves
The good, the bad, the average and unique
The grebos the crusties and you and I
Hello, good evening, welcome
And goodbye

I was thinking this one:

 

[oneillco]

If (when) Declan Rice and Jack Grealish get booed tonight in Dublin it will be because they dumped playing for the Republic of Ireland having been capped through the youth levels and in Rice's case 3 senior appearances in friendlies. Harry Kane, Jude Bellingham and Conor Gallagher are all playing in the EU on Irish passports but probably wouldn't be booed in Dublin because they didn't previously declare for Ireland.

 

[Professor Plum]

On

As a foreigner, the illogical idea behind it is what stands out the most.

The song is about saving the God or Queen... yet it is the only (?) song title that sometimes changes when the subject of dies.

It appears entirely unrelated to England and get the impression that you're on a journey abroad and need to convince the primitivite inhabitants that there's some sort of relation between your King and whatever could be considered God.

It also struggles under a modern day fact check. If we look at the actual end results, they look dire. None of these Queens or Kings went on to have eternal life. Sure, the current one appears to be immortal (we have no evidence of the opposite) but this is probably subject to change within 0-20 years.

UK might have the richest music history of any country on earth. Surely there must be one or two songs describing the hills of Scotland or height of busses or your local pub culture or something a little bit more England?

On that level, many national anthems make no sense. It’s a symbolic ritual at the start of an international match. If you stop to think about it, it seems ridiculous. But if you accept it for what is, namely a ceremonial habit, and part of the theatre of international sport, you won’t feel too perplexed or too upset about it. It is what it is.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

For those of you who think that Carsley should be sacked immediately, I am happy to report that the Mailonline has your backs

JEFF POWELL: Carsley's refusal to sing national anthem is a betrayal

COMMENT BY JEFF POWELL: Call him interim, stand-in or caretaker manager, this is no job for an Englishman who refuses to pay even so much as lip service to our realm.

www.dailymail.co.uk

And apparently the paper version thinks this is shocking.

Carsley will NOT sing national anthem before Republic of Ireland match

SAMI MOKBEL IN DUBLIN: Carsley will take charge of the national team against the Republic of Ireland for the opening game of what is set to be a six-match trial.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[WATFORD zero]

These days you can be put in prison just for not singing along to the National Anthem

These days

 

[SeagullinExile]

The song is about saving the God or Queen... yet it is the only (?) song title that sometimes changes when the subject of dies.

It appears entirely unrelated to England and get the impression that you're on a journey abroad and need to convince the primitivite inhabitants that there's some sort of relation between your King and whatever could be considered God.

It also struggles under a modern day fact check. If we look at the actual end results, they look dire. None of these Queens or Kings went on to have eternal life. Sure, the current one appears to be immortal (we have no evidence of the opposite) but this is probably subject to change within 0-20 years.

UK might have the richest music history of any country on earth. Surely there must be one or two songs describing the hills of Scotland or height of busses or your local pub culture or something a little bit more England?

It’s not even our song is it? The Lichtenstein lyrics are much better!

 

[Alba Badger]

Who f**king cares?

 

[Springal]

He’s not in the squad is he?

No but apart from injury Dunk has never made an England squad over Maguire

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

Sorry….who? and what event are we talking about here?

 

[pb21]

These days you can be put in prison just for not singing along to the National Anthem

These days

Really, when did that come in?

 

[Bish Bosh]

The Daily Mail...of course the Daily Mail! So good that our Government doesn't have to pander to that shower of sh1t - at least for a few years