Lance Armstrong ends fight against doping charges part deux

[teaboy]

Sport is becoming a joke. What can we do to raise the issue of drugs as an important one?

Ask the questions. Keep pushing for satisfactory answers. Stop being satisfied with being fobbed off, or believe that the sport is clean without the details of testing programmes. Don't see failed tests as a bad thing, but as positive evidence that testing is catching cheats.

What is the testing policy of BHAFC, for instance? How often are players tested? What sort of tests are performed? Where are the results available? What doctors are involved in the club, and what is their history? Are Albion players subject to the 'whereabouts' system, and biological passports? How often are these reviewed? What anti-doping education do youth players get?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I'm currently on a course of steroids. I guess that puts paid to any ambitions I might have had to win Wimbledon or replace Vicente in the Albion squad.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I'm currently on a course of steroids. I guess that puts paid to any ambitions I might have had to win Wimbledon or replace Vicente in the Albion squad.

Nope. I've just looked it up. The steroids I'm taking are commonly used by athletes before drug testing to either decrease the excretion of banned drugs or prevent the detection of these drugs in the urine.

Hurrah!! Game back on!

 

[teaboy]

Masking agents may also be banned for the reasons you've given. Check http://www.globaldro.com/uk-en/search/search.aspx

You might be eligible for a TUE though.

No excuses now...

 

[Stat Brother]

Sport is becoming a joke. What can we do to raise the issue of drugs as an important one?

Ask the questions. Keep pushing for satisfactory answers. Stop being satisfied with being fobbed off, or believe that the sport is clean without the details of testing programmes. Don't see failed tests as a bad thing, but as positive evidence that testing is catching cheats.

What is the testing policy of BHAFC, for instance? How often are players tested? What sort of tests are performed? Where are the results available? What doctors are involved in the club, and what is their history? Are Albion players subject to the 'whereabouts' system, and biological passports? How often are these reviewed? What anti-doping education do youth players get?

I was going to expand Teaboy's point still further.

The Governing bodies know what's going on, and are being very 'head in the sand' about it.
That needs to be challenged.
The obvious problem for them is being scared of what they might find.

The evidence of doping in Spain, against Spanish football, is massive.
It's all sat there in a Spanish court waiting to be processed, but it's being 'protected'.
UEFA and FIFA have done nothing, what's in it for them to find out Spanish footballers are as good as we think they are?

At some point that will come back to bite them on the arse.

Just for the hell of it I recently mailed The All England Club, The LTA & The ATP, asking how many tests were carried out at Wimbledon, and where I might find the information. Obviously I didn't get a reply, why should I.

There's a teeny-weeny voice in the back of my head that says Team Sky @ Le Tour were tested more times than all the tests carried out in SW19.

I can give you a full breakdown of who, on Sky, got what kind of test over a 3 week period.
But I can't tell you how many tests were carried out in Tennis, Football, Rugby, Golf, Athletics, and on, and on, and on.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Do we EVER hear about a failed drugs test in football? I fail to believe that all the players are clean as a whistle.

 

[Stat Brother]

You can probably play football still. There does not seem to be any drug testing going on.
Actually when was the last footballer banned for taking performance enhancing drugs? There just does not seem to be enough being caught compared to sports like athletics and cycling with lots of testing and I don't believe for one second that footballers of all people are clean little angels!

Do we EVER hear about a failed drugs test in football? I fail to believe that all the players are clean as a whistle.

If you don't look you can't find anything, from page 10 (or 20) of the other Lance thread:-

louis saha ✔ @louissaha08

Some players got drug tested today.Has been more than a year since they tested me. Propably they watch&think im def not on any bad stuff

 

[Stat Brother]

Do we EVER hear about a failed drugs test in football? I fail to believe that all the players are clean as a whistle.

As this thread says, there are bags of footballers doped blood in Spain, just sitting there.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Masking agents may also be banned for the reasons you've given. Check http://www.globaldro.com/uk-en/search/search.aspx

You might be eligible for a TUE though.

No excuses now...

In competition - Prohibited
Out of competition - Not prohibited

I should be alright for Wimbledon next year, I reckon. But I'll have to pass on the first few games of this coming football season. Oh well.

 

[Stat Brother]

I do believe one day tennis and football will explode with doping revelations.

It'll come out through a really innocent 'back door' way, a random customs check, or a lost bag or something.

The whole (non cycling) world is going to be amazed, except Triggaaar who'll be sat back smoking a cigar and telling his stunned mates all the gory details.

 

[Stat Brother]

In competition - Prohibited
Out of competition - Not prohibited.

***rubbing eyeing in disbelief***, sorry what!!??!!

What are you reading and can you share, please.

 

[Stat Brother]

Maybe with FFP coming in clubs will cut back on expensive drugs?

No clubs affected by FFP are blood doping.

 

[Stat Brother]

How do we know if there is no or little testing?
Plus there could be banned substance use to get players through injuries or to get over them quicker.
I don't know much about the blood doping, might have to have a skim over the thread...

Yeah, sorry my friend but some grizzly reading is in order.

It's funny how things turn out, I like others on here are passionate about professional road cycling.
Sadly though as the giant elephant in the room can't be ignored we all have an in depth knowledge of:-

Performance enhanced drugs.
Steroids.
Blood doping.
ErythroPOietin.
Spanish law.
French law.
Italian law.
Human biology.

Basically pooh loads of stuff we'd rather not know about, but kind of have too.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

***rubbing eyeing in disbelief***, sorry what!!??!!

What are you reading and can you share, please.

It's all about the course of steroids I'm currently using. It's an anti-sickness drug. My nonsense started in post #62.

http://www.globaldro.com/uk-en/sear...show=All&search=Dexamethasone&newSearch=false

I've given the rules for cycling, because this is a cycling thread. But they seem to be the same for other sports.

BRAND STATUS

Brand: DEXAMETHASONE TABLETS
Reference Number 21300580178
Nation of Purchase United Kingdom

Date and Time of Search 26 July 2013 15:11 (UTC)

Sport Cycling

Overall Status
Brand Route of Administration In-Competition Out-of-Competition
DEXAMETHASONE TABLETS Oral Prohibited Not Prohibited

Status of Individual Active Ingredients
Ingredient Route of Administration In-Competition Out-of-Competition
Dexamethasone Oral Prohibited Not Prohibited

Other Names for the Individual Active Ingredients
Ingredient Other Names
Dexamethasone Dexamethasone isonicotinate; Dexamethasone phosphate; Dexamethasone sodium phosphate
WADA Classification(s): Glucocorticosteroids (S9)

 

[Wardy]

It's all about the course of steroids I'm currently using. It's an anti-sickness drug. My nonsense started in post #62.

http://www.globaldro.com/uk-en/sear...show=All&search=Dexamethasone&newSearch=false

I've given the rules for cycling, because this is a cycling thread. But they seem to be the same for other sports.

BRAND STATUS

Brand: DEXAMETHASONE TABLETS
Reference Number 21300580178
Nation of Purchase United Kingdom

Date and Time of Search 26 July 2013 15:11 (UTC)

Sport Cycling

Overall Status
Brand Route of Administration In-Competition Out-of-Competition
DEXAMETHASONE TABLETS Oral Prohibited Not Prohibited

Status of Individual Active Ingredients
Ingredient Route of Administration In-Competition Out-of-Competition
Dexamethasone Oral Prohibited Not Prohibited

Other Names for the Individual Active Ingredients
Ingredient Other Names
Dexamethasone Dexamethasone isonicotinate; Dexamethasone phosphate; Dexamethasone sodium phosphate
WADA Classification(s): Glucocorticosteroids (S9)

That seems strange. Looking at their FAQ's Out-of-competition testing is the random ones done at any time anywhere. Where as the in-competition ones are the planned ones. So if they tell you they are going to do a test you are not allow to take it, but if they do not tell you, you can.

 

[teaboy]

How do we know if there is no or little testing?
Plus there could be banned substance use to get players through injuries or to get over them quicker.
I don't know much about the blood doping, might have to have a skim over the thread...

You mean like this:

I'm surprised this didn't get mentioned earlier:

Tottenham bid to speed Gareth Bale return using controversial blood spinning technique - Premier League - Football - The Independent

No doping in football, no....

 

[Stat Brother]

It's all about the course of steroids I'm currently using. It's an anti-sickness drug. My nonsense started in post #62.

http://www.globaldro.com/uk-en/sear...show=All&search=Dexamethasone&newSearch=false

I've given the rules for cycling, because this is a cycling thread. But they seem to be the same for other sports.

BRAND STATUS

Brand: DEXAMETHASONE TABLETS
Reference Number 21300580178
Nation of Purchase United Kingdom

Date and Time of Search 26 July 2013 15:11 (UTC)

Sport Cycling

Overall Status
Brand Route of Administration In-Competition Out-of-Competition
DEXAMETHASONE TABLETS Oral Prohibited Not Prohibited

Status of Individual Active Ingredients
Ingredient Route of Administration In-Competition Out-of-Competition
Dexamethasone Oral Prohibited Not Prohibited

Other Names for the Individual Active Ingredients
Ingredient Other Names
Dexamethasone Dexamethasone isonicotinate; Dexamethasone phosphate; Dexamethasone sodium phosphate
WADA Classification(s): Glucocorticosteroids (S9)

Cool, pick a sport that doesn't test and juice your way to the top.
Or sell your life giving medication to another participant, and make a bit on the side.

This is a cycling thread in name only, what with Lancey-poohs being the poster boy of drug taking.

TBH I've gone off cycling's drug problems as comparatively they are few and far between, or historical.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

... Or sell your life giving medication to another participant, and make a bit on the side.

Nah. I'd have to charge a booking fee. And we all know how unacceptable that is.

 

[Stat Brother]

Ok. I am no expert on blood doping. How is that different to EPO and why is it allowed and EPO not?

EPO is just the latest version of blood doping, if that's what you mean.

EPO boosts the levels of red blood cells
More red blood cells equals more oxygen in the body.
More oxygen to muscles, directly improves the endurance capacity of those muscles.

So you load up on EPO, train you nuts off.
Transfuse x amount of 'charged' super blood, out of the body.
Clean it up, remove traces of EPO.
Then when you need a 'boost' transfuse the now clean but potent blood back into you body.

Simples.

 

[Stat Brother]

Is that not the same as what Bale and Spurs were doing? Apart from they were increasing the concentration of a hormone instead of red blood cells?
Also, can you instead of using EPO to boost red blood cells, train at high altitude and then save that blood for later? Or is all forms or re-injection banned?

Yeah it's basically altitude training with minimal effort and guaranteed results.

Prior to EPO Le Tour was famous for 'comedy' Columbian riders.
They couldn't go on the flat, time trial, or descend.
Then the route would go up mountains and they'd smash everybody else to pieces, because they were poor peasants who lived the other side of the mountain to the nearest school.
This years Tour (and for most of last season) saw the reemergence of Columbian cycling.
Having not been good enough to race against the EPO generation.

I don't for one minute believe GB's, and plenty of other footballers activities, would be tolerated in cycling.
Transfusions are illegal.