Lance Armstrong ends fight against doping charges part deux

[wakeytom]

I listened to that as well and by the end of the podcast I still could not make my mind up whether I empathised with him or not.

Thats how I felt although on reflection the fact I felt like that meant I must do more than before as I at least entertained the idea

 

[Triggaaar]

although what he did was bad he did give some counter balance and also seemed genuinely remorseful for things like the bullying

I find that hard to believe. His career ended, he was accused by all of doping, and he denied it to the end. He'd still be denying it now if it hadn't been proven beyond doubt with him facing more punishment. Given that he wouldn't admit it if he didn't have to, I don't believe his remorse is genuine. He is still wealthy and will media advisers telling him the right thing to say.

 

[wakeytom]

I find that hard to believe. His career ended, he was accused by all of doping, and he denied it to the end. He'd still be denying it now if it hadn't been proven beyond doubt with him facing more punishment. Given that he wouldn't admit it if he didn't have to, I don't believe his remorse is genuine. He is still wealthy and will media advisers telling him the right thing to say.

I think one of the issues is that he was the highest profile rider and if you look back at his early races clearly was a world class athlete. At that time its my opinion that all riders were doping, many of which have still not admitted to it now, so really what is the difference? In terms of doping he was only 'cheating' if he was the only one doing it, if the peleton was all at it then why is he the only one to be called a cheater? The bullying is something different and cannot be condoned

 

[Triggaaar]

I think one of the issues is that he was the highest profile rider and if you look back at his early races clearly was a world class athlete. At that time its my opinion that all riders were doping, many of which have still not admitted to it now, so really what is the difference?

Generally in sport if you dope and don't win anything, then you've got no title etc to be stripped of, and you haven't denied prevented the clean athletes in the race from winning. It's understandable that less effort and less newspaper columns are dedicated to those that cheated and didn't win much.

Of course some of the other winners also cheated, and they should be stripped of their titles etc too.

In terms of doping he was only 'cheating' if he was the only one doing it

Well that's not quite true. If everyone in the peleton doped, then they all cheated, they could all be replaced by dedicated clean cyclists around the world that would have loved to be earning money in the peleton.

if the peleton was all at it then why is he the only one to be called a cheater?

Hold on, I'm sure you can't seriously be suggesting that Armstrong is the only one accused of cheating?

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Proper cheating. None of that performance enhancing drug rubbish: http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/30/hidden-motor-bike-world-cyclo-cross-championships

 

[Stat Brother]

Proper cheating. None of that performance enhancing drug rubbish: http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/30/hidden-motor-bike-world-cyclo-cross-championships

You've got to wonder how she thought she'd get away with it on this bike:-

 

[Stat Brother]

Wow, just wow:-

IAAF publishes list of Russian athletes banned from international competitions

The list contains a total of 4,027 names of Russian athletes including national team leaders

http://tass.ru/en/sport/855204

I think that needs repeating

The list contains a total of 4,027 names of Russian athletes

WOW

 

[Triggaaar]

Wow, just wow:-

IAAF publishes list of Russian athletes banned from international competitions

The list contains a total of 4,027 names of Russian athletes including national team leaders

http://tass.ru/en/sport/855204

I think that needs repeating

The list contains a total of 4,027 names of Russian athletes

WOW

I too am shocked it wasn't more.

It's not just going to be Russia either. The USA were pretty doped for the '84 Olympics I think, and I'm not sure if much has changed. I wouldn't put money on a clean China either.

 

[Stat Brother]

I too am shocked it wasn't more.

It's not just going to be Russia either. The USA were pretty doped for the '84 Olympics I think, and I'm not sure if much has changed. I wouldn't put money on a clean China either.

But this is 4027 athletes tested, caught and currently serving bans.

It's almost as if the IAAF threshold for action is 4026 athletes, per nation.

 

[Stat Brother]

Anti-doping: Government inquiry into Ukad's British doctor probe

The government has ordered an inquiry into the UK Anti-Doping Agency (Ukad) over its handling of an investigation into alleged doping activities by a British doctor involving Premier League footballers and other leading athletes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/35952566

 

[Acker79]

Geez. Is there any way these cyclists won't cheat?! Why can't they be honest sportsmen with integrity like in literally every other sport.

http://fittish.deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666

 

[seagulls4ever]

Geez. Is there any way these cyclists won't cheat?! Why can't they be honest sportsmen with integrity like in literally every other sport.

http://fittish.deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666

In literally every other sport... you sure about that?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Geez. Is there any way these cyclists won't cheat?! Why can't they be honest sportsmen with integrity like in literally every other sport.

http://fittish.deadspin.com/secret-thermal-camera-footage-allegedly-shows-seven-pro-1771492666

That will net a few.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

That will net a few.

Well, I was wrong there.

"Russian Athlete questions (sic) why athletes aren't allowed to take drugs."

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...-232448?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social

 

[Stat Brother]

This one sneaked under the radar.
I wonder how many Jamaican athletes have now been popped?


Usain Bolt could lose Olympic gold medal over Nesta Carter doping

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/36446717

 

[Stat Brother]

Rory McIlroy on golf drug testing: 'I could get away with it'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/36774868

 

[Triggaaar]

Rory McIlroy on golf drug testing: 'I could get away with it'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/36774868

Drugs can't make you hit the ball straight.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Drugs can't make you hit the ball straight.

Might make you hit it 50 yards further up the fairway though!

 

[Stat Brother]

Might make you hit it 50 yards further up the fairway though!

Or stop you shaking your teeth out when you need to putt.