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Lambert rules himself out of Villa job



Mtoto

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Sep 28, 2003
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It's not just the fans. The real problem is that everyone believes it, from the owners who paid top dollar to buy LFC to the execs, the backroom staff and the players, led by Gerrard the number one fan. The result is that it's very difficult for a manager who is not a Grade A name they all recognise and respect to get what is by any measure a pretty limited bunch of players even to perform at a level that is a sum of the parts, never mind beyond it. And any manager who *is* a big enough name - the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho etc etc. - will appreciate how poor the raw material is and won't touch them with a 10-foot pole.

Martinez has a great track record for producing effective teams from a very average squad, and in a sense is just what Liverpool need. Unless he gets the players onside and gets immediate results, though, he's likely to go the same way as Hodgson, and improving a football team is never linear. Being crap at various stages is going to be part of the process of getting better, and that's where the fans come in as it's rarely something they appreciate or tolerate.

But then, Liverpool fans are hardly alone in that. There were people on here saying that Gus had taken us as far as he could after Notts Forest last season, and that was a game that we won.
 




Peever

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Sep 5, 2010
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Why not?

Martinez is exactly the sort of sharp, young manager that clubs should be looking for. I can sort of understand why Liverpool fans don't want him (as HKFC points out, they're extremely deluded and still think of themselves as one of Europe's big clubs) but for the life of me, I can't work out why Villa wouldn't want him. Good manager, plays attractive football should be top of the Villa shopping list. I expect that Martinez thinks he's too good for Villa and wouldn't take the job anyway but all Villa fans should be hoping he'd take it.

If not Martinez, who on earth would you want at Villa? Another manager who's been around the block a few times? Mick McCarthy's available

I dont fully understand why RM is getting so much praise. When it boils down to it Wigan have been dire (often rock bottom) in the PL for the first 3/4 of the season and he pull some magic out his arse to keep them up. We just went through a rollercoaster season with relegation looming.... Maybe id end up eating my words if he goes to Liverpool and is a success...
 


GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
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Poyet is managing an up-and-coming club, which he has a chance to mould to his own way and make a real name for himself. Career-wise, it would be a backward step to move to a struggling Prem. team that's in a mess, in real danger of relegation and naff-all chance of winning anything - he'd sooner or later get the sack and his reputation would be damaged. So that's why I think he'll stay with us.

On the other hand, doing just that seems to have worked out OK for Martinez...............
 


peterward

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Nov 11, 2009
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Poyet is managing an up-and-coming club, which he has a chance to mould to his own way and make a real name for himself. Career-wise, it would be a backward step to move to a struggling Prem. team that's in a mess, in real danger of relegation and naff-all chance of winning anything - he'd sooner or later get the sack and his reputation would be damaged. So that's why I think he'll stay with us.

On the other hand, doing just that seems to have worked out OK for Martinez...............

I don't agree, Villa are today where we were after Russell Slade, a struggling team in a mess. Poyet changed our style of play and rebuilds the club structure and the rest is history. He would believe he could do it again, and he probably could if backed
 


Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
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I don't agree, Villa are today where we were after Russell Slade, a struggling team in a mess. Poyet changed our style of play and rebuilds the club structure and the rest is history. He would believe he could do it again, and he probably could if backed

Completely different situation. Albion were backed by a chairman who was a fan of the club, who was prepared to look long-term and who was prepared to invest a lot of money. Villa have a chairman who by all accounts has lost interest in football and will not back the club financially. On top of that, Albion fans had been through the mill and were prepared to back a manager, Villa fans, on the whole, are utterly deluded and think they should be a top 6 team.

Poyet should stay well clear, it's a poisoned chalice of a club
 








Cheeky Monkey

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Jul 17, 2003
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Announced as Villa manager on Sky Sports News

Fantastic. Now hopefully Norwich fans can enjoy seeing Holt turning out in the Claret and Blue in the same way that we've 'enjoyed' seeing Bennett and Crofts in canary Yellow.

"What goes around comes around..." :)
 




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