Labour & The General Election defeat.

[Pavilionaire]

I like the way they produce the report on what went wrong at the election having already appointed their next leader, thus tying their hands for the foreseeable future. Try producing the report, then choosing the leader having identified where it went wrong. They really are a shambles!

 

[Javeaseagull]

Corbyn is going to win because people will become immune to the constant abuse from the press. It's over 4 years til the election and the Labour Party is growing every day.
If he had no chance of winning why would the press spend so much time constantly putting him down.
It's like the sixties when Tony Benn was vilified except that then parts of the Labour Party agreed with it. Harold Wilson said he was leading a Socialist Government with a Tsarist Cabinet.
This time the Labour Party seem to be behind their leader apart from a some MPs. They will be aware that the public have a faith in our nuclear deterrent which gives us a lovely comfort blanket. Nobody can hurt us because we can hurt them back.
Well that hasn't helped in the Falklands, Kuwait X 2 and the situation we find ourselves in now. Better conventional weapons would have come in handy but what do we get? People taking the mickey because Corbyn says our subs do not have to be armed with nuclear warheads. If they were ballistic they might be of some use. We can't nuke the Middle East as everyone knows. A few Exocets on the other hand, that could be useful.

 

[jakarta]

Corbyn is going to win because people will become immune to the constant abuse from the press. It's over 4 years til the election and the Labour Party is growing every day. This time the Labour Party seem to be behind their leader apart from a some MPs.

All of this is utter delusion I am afraid. Raving Monster Loony Party has a better chance of power than Labour next time around...

 

[Javeaseagull]

All of this is utter delusion I am afraid. Raving Monster Loony Party has a better chance of power than Labour next time around...

Is that the best you can do? OK.

 

[T.G]

Gosh who knows. I think Corbyn is a breath of fresh air and has rekindled my faith in politics. The right wing press do seem to be running scared and attacking him at every non-opportunity and the lobotomised people who believe this sh*t without question unfortunately make up a large amount of the voting public. I hope we do give him a chance and see him for what he is: A bright articulate man who has a fair society as his main priority. It would be a pity if people ignored his qualities due to being force fed puerile bollox…Rupert Murdoc!!!!

 

[Hampster Gull]

No no no, this is completely wrong. Labour didnt lose, it was the Right Wing Labour. The Real labour has only jsut risen

 

[Bladders]

Labour & The General Election defeat.

I always love the line "the press are attacking Corbyn cause they're scared "

Er....no, they attack him cause he gives them so much ammo to make fun of him with and they're having a field day with it.

Scared? Having a laugh more like

 

[jakarta]

the lobotomised people who believe this sh*t without question unfortunately make up a large amount of the voting public.

Oh, now we get down to it, it is all those bloody awful VOTERS that are the problem...

 

[Gwylan]

Oh, now we get down to it, it is all those bloody awful VOTERS that are the problem...

The Solution
Bertolt Brecht


After the uprising of the 17th June
The Secretary of the Writer's Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

All of this is utter delusion I am afraid. Raving Monster Loony Party has a better chance of power than Labour next time around...

This.

Unless labour ditch Vlad's lapdog.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I like the way they produce the report on what went wrong at the election having already appointed their next leader, thus tying their hands for the foreseeable future. Try producing the report, then choosing the leader having identified where it went wrong. They really are a shambles!

I suppose political parties have to do this so they are not leaderless for 6 months or more. Had the Conservatives waited, would they really have accepted Hague's resignation and elected Iain Duncan Smith as their leader, and then, even more unbelievably Michael Howard... Hague was victim of press vilification as much as Corbyn has been. He could probably be seen as a moderate compared to the two that succeeded him. Anyway, I guess the point is you can't have a leaderless opposition and these reports take at least 6 months to produce.

 

[knocky1]

Ed Miliband could have stayed as Leader stating he would stand down in 6 months after a review. The least he could have done really.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Look at that bacon sarnie! I mean look at him eating it! Look!

Unlike some party leaders, at least Ed was eating the pig, rather than the other way round...

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

It was the bacon sandwich that did him.

oh no ... it had to be the Ed stone, that and the pollsters doing a great job for the Tories by predicting they wouldn't win, forcing more out to vote.

 

[cjd]

Ed Miliband could have stayed as Leader stating he would stand down in 6 months after a review. The least he could have done really.

Wouldn't have made any difference.

The trade union members (nearly always members of the Labour Party as well) dictate who the Labour Party leader is going to be.......not middle England....(who they need on board to be electable as government)

 

[Gwylan]

The trade union members (nearly always members of the Labour Party as well) dictate who the Labour Party leader is going to be.......not middle England.

You're a bit behind the times. The trade union influence was removed five years ago: it's one person, one vote now. Union leaders have no more power when it comes to choosing a leader than Joe Bloggs down the road

 

[Wozza]

Corbyn is going to win because people will become immune to the constant abuse from the press. It's over 4 years til the election and the Labour Party is growing every day.

Nurse, screens!

 

[Pavilionaire]

I suppose political parties have to do this so they are not leaderless for 6 months or more. Had the Conservatives waited, would they really have accepted Hague's resignation and elected Iain Duncan Smith as their leader, and then, even more unbelievably Michael Howard... Hague was victim of press vilification as much as Corbyn has been. He could probably be seen as a moderate compared to the two that succeeded him. Anyway, I guess the point is you can't have a leaderless opposition and these reports take at least 6 months to produce.

How did it take 6 months to produce a report that drew the very same conclusions as the Sunday papers published immediately following the Thursday General Election?

The election debrief should have taken no longer than a month. And in the meantime you have an interim leader like a Margaret Beckett to hold the fort until the correct successor is chosen.

Regardless of what the press say, Corbyn is almost certainly unelectable with the voters. Labour is divided so cannot provide effective opposition. One of Hilary Benn, Chuka Umunna, Dan Jarvis or David Miliband has to step forward now otherwise Labour are writing off 5 more years whilst fostering a climate for Tory complacency.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

How did it take 6 months to produce a report that drew the very same conclusions as the Sunday papers published immediately following the Thursday General Election?

The election debrief should have taken no longer than a month. And in the meantime you have an interim leader like a Margaret Beckett to hold the fort until the correct successor is chosen.

Regardless of what the press say, Corbyn is almost certainly unelectable with the voters. Labour is divided so cannot provide effective opposition. One of Hilary Benn, Chuka Umunna, Dan Jarvis or David Miliband has to step forward now otherwise Labour are writing off 5 more years whilst fostering a climate for Tory complacency.

Agreed.

This country absolutely needs a strong opposition (whoever they may be) to keep the current lot in check (whoever they may be)

Sadly I just dont see it at the moment.

 

[Gwylan]

Labour is divided so cannot provide effective opposition. One of Hilary Benn, Chuka Umunna, Dan Jarvis or David Miliband has to step forward now otherwise Labour are writing off 5 more years whilst fostering a climate for Tory complacency.

Why do people keep saying this? Corbyn won with 60% of the vote. Since then, there have been many more of his supporters joining the party while some of more centrist supporters have left. On a vote today, he'd probably get closer to 70% of the vote.

Of the ones you mentioned, Umunna, Jarvis and Miliband all declined to stand last time round - the former both said that being leader was incompatible with the personal lives. Miliband has fluffed a leadership bid twice and would really offer nothing new. Benn is flavour of the month right now but would be lucky to get 10% of the membership vote.

Labour has lost the next election. It lost it last May: the Tories are now free to change the boundaries, abolish 30 or 40 Labour constituencies and cut the party funding. The arithmetic is against the party right now. It could elect a leader with the principles of Gandhi, the leadership of Churchill, the oratory skills of Tony Benn, the charisma of Bill Clinton and the organisational ability of Attlee and still lose.

The real target is 2025. By then, the Tories would have won three elections and will find it hard to win another (winning four elections has only happened once in parliamentary history), the Labour party will be less divided as many of the anti-Corbyn MPs will have been ousted and the party will be in a position to win with a more left-wing agenda. I'm pretty sure that's the Corbynista theory anyway.