[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

[Weststander]

This was in the FT today

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BBC R4 statisticians with the help of economists nailed an analysis of the so called £20b blackhole. At least half of it arises from the very recent public sector pay awards.

 

[chip]

BBC R4 statisticians with the help of economists nailed an analysis of the so called £20b blackhole. At least half of it arises from the very recent public sector pay awards.

I love this quoute

Ben Zaranko at the Institute for Fiscal Studies think-tank said the government had “not been particularly transparent” about the details of normal reserve claims. “They probably ought to be at some point.”

 

[Weststander]

I love this quoute

Ben Zaranko at the Institute for Fiscal Studies think-tank said the government had “not been particularly transparent” about the details of normal reserve claims. “They probably ought to be at some point.”

I love the gently cutting remarks from the IFS. Masters at disparaging manifestos too.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

BBC R4 statisticians with the help of economists nailed an analysis of the so called £20b blackhole. At least half of it arises from the very recent public sector pay awards.

……… which from what I understand were about acting on public sector pay reviews which the Tories, had they still have been in power, should have implemented but wouldn’t have.

and just checking on the reports that Labour research had indicated that 4,000 pensioners could die if Winter Fuel Payments were stopped. That research was from 2017. It’s 7 years out of date. Things change. Things will continue to change. I can remember thinking when they announced the scrapping that I would even have agreed if Sunak had done it. When you see things like people boasting they were going to use it to buy their Christmas Champagne, it makes you realise how daft the universality was.

 

[Seecider]

……… which from what I understand were about acting on public sector pay reviews which the Tories, had they still have been in power, should have implemented but wouldn’t have.

and just checking on the reports that Labour research had indicated that 4,000 pensioners could die if Winter Fuel Payments were stopped. That research was from 2017. It’s 7 years out of date. Things change. Things will continue to change. I can remember thinking when they announced the scrapping that I would even have agreed if Sunak had done it. When you see things like people boasting they were going to use it to buy their Christmas Champagne, it makes you realise how daft the universality was.

But universality is cheap to administer and doesn't require "pensioners" to go begging for support. Should have left it and taxed it or listened to Martyn Lewis and made it available through Council Tax system. I think Labour are relying on the 800,000 currently entitled, but not claiming, to continue not claiming. If they all claim, nothing will be saved.

 

[nevergoagain]

Not a great start to the day for the Starmtroopers.

• Under a train - Nasty Wes Streeting confirming more staff but no improved process and ultimately less money for hospitals.
• Jo Hamilton - Nothing has changed after meeting new minister statement on stage at the NTA's
• TATA Steel - £500m gift for only cutting half the jobs in Port Talbot
• Considering cutting the The Environmental Land Management Scheme by £100m
• Labour’s green policies are costing jobs and “hollowing out working class communities,” the leader of the GMB union has warned
• Early release prisoner immediately arrested for Rape, Sexual Assault and Racially aggravated assault.

 

[keaton]

Telegraph reporting Labour are looking at removing the single persons council tax discount.

How much of the £400 do you think will be left after the budget?

I may have missed something but why do people keep mentioning £400 when the winter fuel allowance is £300 or £200?

 

[carlzeiss]

I may have missed something but why do people keep mentioning £400 when the winter fuel allowance is £300 or £200?

Isn't the £400 the pension increase ?

 

[MattBackHome]

Not a great start to the day for the Starmtroopers.

• Under a train - Nasty Wes Streeting confirming more staff but no improved process and ultimately less money for hospitals.
• Jo Hamilton - Nothing has changed after meeting new minister statement on stage at the NTA's
• TATA Steel - £500m gift for only cutting half the jobs in Port Talbot
• Considering cutting the The Environmental Land Management Scheme by £100m
• Labour’s green policies are costing jobs and “hollowing out working class communities,” the leader of the GMB union has warned
• Early release prisoner immediately arrested for Rape, Sexual Assault and Racially aggravated assault.

Truly, it's a veritable meltdown.

 

[keaton]

Isn't the £400 the pension increase ?

Thanks. I thought I'd seen that mentioned as what people were losing, but yes that makes sense

 

[Chicken Run]

Truly, it's a veritable meltdown.

Don’t forget the Carol Vordaman laying into Starmer, these celebs should keep their political views to themselves..

 

[fly high]

But universality is cheap to administer and doesn't require "pensioners" to go begging for support. Should have left it and taxed it or listened to Martyn Lewis and made it available through Council Tax system. I think Labour are relying on the 800,000 currently entitled, but not claiming, to continue not claiming. If they all claim, nothing will be saved.

Plus I have read that if they haven't claimed by end of July they won't get it this year anyway, which makes it even more disgraceful as stopping it was only announced in July.

 

[fly high]

Thanks. I thought I'd seen that mentioned as what people were losing, but yes that makes sense

Except not everyone will get that much especially older pensioners born before 1952 & are on a different scheme.

 

[Weststander]

Isn't the £400 the pension increase ?

£353 is the increase in basic state pension next April.
£460 for the full state pension. People who didn’t have too many years contracted out of SERPS, etc, etc.

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

Well what on earth was that from Starmer, with his popularity that has nose dived since July 4th it appeared to be a full on party political broadcast! It has to be justifying the tax rises in the budget, loads of money Starmer itching to spend,spend spend, let's hope it is wisely spent.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Not a great start to the day for the Starmtroopers.

• Under a train - Nasty Wes Streeting confirming more staff but no improved process and ultimately less money for hospitals.
• Jo Hamilton - Nothing has changed after meeting new minister statement on stage at the NTA's
• TATA Steel - £500m gift for only cutting half the jobs in Port Talbot
• Considering cutting the The Environmental Land Management Scheme by £100m
• Labour’s green policies are costing jobs and “hollowing out working class communities,” the leader of the GMB union has warned
• Early release prisoner immediately arrested for Rape, Sexual Assault and Racially aggravated assault.

So good to see our strong and stable opposition effectively challenging and sensibly changing all of this. As opposed to, say, holding their 5th leadership contest since the Brexit referendum.

 

[nevergoagain]

So good to see our strong and stable opposition effectively challenging and sensibly changing all of this. As opposed to, say, holding their 5th leadership contest since the Brexit referendum.

Indeed, let's hope they get their house in order soon!. Good to see you agree that current gov. is a shitshow.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

So good to see our strong and stable opposition effectively challenging and sensibly changing all of this. As opposed to, say, holding their 5th leadership contest since the Brexit referendum.

Tories are a shambles.

We know that.

But does that mean the LP should follow suit?

 

[Bozza]

So good to see our strong and stable opposition effectively challenging and sensibly changing all of this. As opposed to, say, holding their 5th leadership contest since the Brexit referendum.

So, you've long had issues with the current Tory leader, and you now have an issue that he is being replaced? Tough crowd.

Besides, I thought Sunak did a reasonable job in PMQ yesterday. Publishing the impact statement on the effect of the removal of the Winter Fuel Payment would be a positive step in reassuring those who are concerned about this.

Of course, having spent years ridiculing Sunak for not actually answering his questions, Starmer then spent the whole of PMQ doing exactly the same thing.

 

[Machiavelli]

Tories are a shambles.

We know that.

But does that mean the LP should follow suit?

Why is it that the likes of you and @Kinky Gerbil hold the Labour Party to a higher standard than the Tories?