[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

[drew]

According to Radio 2 news this morning today s the last day to apply for WFA credit. They interviewed a pensioner who said it is a 20 page questionnaire with 240 questions. Many of the answers require financial proof of income, savings etc. so it's perhaps understandable why so many needy pensioners can't, or won't, attempt such a document.

Technically, it's the last day to apply for pension credit in order to qualify for WFA. As for the questionnaire, there are helplines and I would also suspect most pensioners will have family that can help out. Also, your post seems to imply that pensioners are all incapable of filling in a questionnaire.

 

[Boroseagull]

Technically, it's the last day to apply for pension credit in order to qualify for WFA. As for the questionnaire, there are helplines and I would also suspect most pensioners will have family that can help out. Also, your post seems to imply that pensioners are all incapable of filling in a questionnaire.

And where do I state ALL pensioners are incapable of filling out a questionnaire? Common sense should tell you some of us 'older' persons like to keep some privacy from either the state, our families or outsiders.

 

[drew]

And where do I state ALL pensioners are incapable of filling out a questionnaire? Common sense should tell you some of us 'older' persons like to keep some privacy from either the state, our families or outsiders.

No, you didn't specifically state all pensioners but the impression I got from your comment was that you thought the length of the form (rather than the questions asked) was, possibly too onerous.

As to keeping info to yourself, ok, that's your choice but keep your privacy and pay for your own fuel! Can't have it both ways. If I have to apply for benefits, as I'm sure most people would, I'd expect to provide information to the government to justify it.

 

[darkwolf666]

And where do I state ALL pensioners are incapable of filling out a questionnaire? Common sense should tell you some of us 'older' persons like to keep some privacy from either the state, our families or outsiders.

Wow - that's all I can say really!*

Now apply that logic to someone claiming Universal Credit and see what sort of response you get. I'm guessing it might include the words, cheat, scroungers and a host of similar!

*making an assumption I've not been whooshed!

 

[Rdodge30]

Whilst you centrists argue against yourselves I see the appointment of Mandy, the absolute moron, as US Ambassador is going down well with Trump's campaign.

It’s going down badly because that’s the message this Government have wanted to send to Donald Trump by appointing Mandelson is f*** you.

Mandelson has not been very political in his views of Trump labelling him amongst other things a white supremacist.

Mandelson is an avowed EU enthusiast, it’s unlikely he will be on the same page as Trump on any bilateral matters.

Mandelson, and perhaps this may be most significant of all, was very well connected to Epstein. Whilst there’s no indication he was part of any abuse, but Mandelson was staying with Epstein even when the charges had been made public. In the eyes of many Americans Keir may as well have appointed Prince Andrew.

What an absolute moron.

Mandelson was the ideal candidate to lead the renegotiations with the EU and absolutely the last person to make US ambassador. This decision would be astonishing if it wasn’t so inevitable from Starmer. I thought David Milliband was being mooted for this role?

 

[Bodian]

And where do I state ALL pensioners are incapable of filling out a questionnaire? Common sense should tell you some of us 'older' persons like to keep some privacy from either the state, our families or outsiders.

Interesting take! You'd like a grant, but don't want to provide personal information to justify receiving it? I think that basically it's a choice here - either you provide the state with information that they probably already have anyway, or you don't receive government funding to help. I think that most of us have been in that situation at some point whether it be student grants, the dole, housing benefit, loans, pensions, tax returns and so on. Not many would choose to opt out - but that's up to each individual.

 

[LamieRobertson]

ttfn….wish you all (on the thread) a happy, healthy and warm Xmas ….see you next year (maybe lol)

 

[dsr-burnley]

I think we just need to ask more about how so many people have come to be in those positions in the first place. Chucking people 200 pounds a year isn't going to change the underlying issues or prevent this continuing in the future. Energy prices are too high, housing is too expensive, wage inequality continues to rise, food prices are rising, it's hard to save money. I don't know if the current government can change course but we need to get to a place where large swathes of society are not relying on handouts but live in a country where they don't need them.

It's going to be an awfully long time before we reach the position where pensioners don't need handouts. Do you think there will ever be a time when pensioners have so much other income that they don't need a state pension?

 

[Rdodge30]

Source: a poll from the think tank, “More in Politics” reported in The Times.

The first significant seat-by-seat analysis since the general election forecasts that, if another poll were held today, Labour would lose its majority and nearly 200 of the seats it won in July .

The party, which won 411 seats, would lose 87 seats to the Conservatives, 67 to Reform UK and 26 to the Scottish National Party.

Labour 228
Conservatives 222
Reform 72
LibDems 58
SNP 37
Greens 2

Cabinet members who would lose their seats:
Streeting
Raynor
Cooper
Healey
Milliband
Phillipson
Reynolds

 

[Chicken Run]

Source: a poll from the think tank, “More in Politics” reported in The Times.

The first significant seat-by-seat analysis since the general election forecasts that, if another poll were held today, Labour would lose its majority and nearly 200 of the seats it won in July .

The party, which won 411 seats, would lose 87 seats to the Conservatives, 67 to Reform UK and 26 to the Scottish National Party.

Labour 228
Conservatives 222
Reform 72
LibDems 58
SNP 37
Greens 2

Cabinet members who would lose their seats:
Streeting
Raynor
Cooper
Healey
Milliband
Phillipson
Reynolds

Give it another 4 years and it will be even uglier, those numbers would probably deliver a Labour Coalition with SNP & Liberals, some on here would welcome that

 

[darkwolf666]

Source: a poll from the think tank, “More in Politics” reported in The Times.

The first significant seat-by-seat analysis since the general election forecasts that, if another poll were held today, Labour would lose its majority and nearly 200 of the seats it won in July .

The party, which won 411 seats, would lose 87 seats to the Conservatives, 67 to Reform UK and 26 to the Scottish National Party.

Labour 228
Conservatives 222
Reform 72
LibDems 58
SNP 37
Greens 2

Cabinet members who would lose their seats:
Streeting
Raynor
Cooper
Healey
Milliband
Phillipson
Reynolds

Do you have a link for this at all. I can find nothing on this think tank or who funds them?

If Reform were to gain so many GE seats why hasn't that been reflected in recent local council elections?

 

[Rdodge30]

I’ve never heard of them either but the story is in today’s Sunday Times

 

[nevergoagain]

Give it another 4 years and it will be even uglier, those numbers would probably deliver a Labour Coalition with SNP & Liberals, some on here would welcome that

 

[Bozza]

Do you have a link for this at all. I can find nothing on this think tank or who funds them?

If Reform were to gain so many GE seats why hasn't that been reflected in recent local council elections?

Really? It took me about 10 seconds...

Welcome to More in Common UK

www.moreincommon.org.uk

Funding:

Funding

www.moreincommon.org.uk

 

[AlbionBro]

Source: a poll from the think tank, “More in Politics” reported in The Times.

The first significant seat-by-seat analysis since the general election forecasts that, if another poll were held today, Labour would lose its majority and nearly 200 of the seats it won in July .

The party, which won 411 seats, would lose 87 seats to the Conservatives, 67 to Reform UK and 26 to the Scottish National Party.

Labour 228
Conservatives 222
Reform 72
LibDems 58
SNP 37
Greens 2

Cabinet members who would lose their seats:
Streeting
Raynor
Cooper
Healey
Milliband
Phillipson
Reynolds

I can't see how Reform are going to win all those seats. I know Keir isn't too popular now, but he will be okay in a few more months when we get our predicted growth. This is just one of those scare mongering projects.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I can't see how Reform are going to win all those seats. I know Keir isn't too popular now, but he will be okay in a few more months when we get our predicted growth. This is just one of those scare mongering projects.

It will be interesting to know the science behind this projection.

 

[AlbionBro]

It will be interesting to know the science behind this projection.

Not sure there is any, just a finger in the air job.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I think a better idea would be to merge both the threads under the title ’The Labour Government Thread’ and perhaps have a thread for Palestine/Israel thread

Can we merge the Labour threads?

@Bozza and mod's .... would that be possible please? A one stop shop.

Surely it's now time to merge this thread with the Labour Party Meltdown incoming. Difficult to keep monitoring things with split discussion.

Can we merge this with the meltdown thread or the general Labour thread pleeeeeeeeaase @Bozza

It's been requested that they all get merged before, but the problem is that apparently they are cheerleading and critiquing threads


See if you can guess which is which is which

Seconded, please @Bozza. Making a one-stop shop.

Initially it may’ve been hoped that one thread was for positive achievements (first 100 days type stuff), the other critiques and nsc rows.

In reality both are now essentially the same thing.

I guess that's a no then

 

[Weststander]

I guess that's a no then

To rile you @Bozza will merge the Labour threads .

In the New Year.

 

[Chicken Run]

I guess that's a no then

Who’s a cute little puppy dog