[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

[dsr-burnley]

You said earlier "and they promised in the campaign not to touch IHT for farmers" That link refers to a comment over a year ago. That's not during the campaign, and not related to the manifesto.

As to NI - we've been through the discussion of working people may times before. We all knew what it meant - it meant not affecting your pay packet. Trying to say it extended to employers NI is just aftertiming.

I'm an accountant. I know what NIC is. It might not occur to you that Employer's National Insurance is National Insurance, but it does to me. If they wanted to be clear that they only referred to Employer's National Insurance, they could have been,. Using the excuse that it was hidden in the small print does not qualify as honesty.

 

[Zeberdi]

Misunderstanding… I was answering how could Starmer be removed

But I really do think it is 20% of parliamentary Labour Party needed to start the process

Oops - sorry. Read your post completely the wrong way.

Yes, a candidate needs the backing of 20% of Labour MPs to initiate a leadership challenge.

It’s not going to happen though for reasons I posted above and Labour has a long history of standing by their embattled leaders until they lose a general election unlike the Tories who unceremoniously dump their leaders as soon as they become an electoral liability.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

What they said was that they would not increase NIC, and they said it both verbally and in their manifesto. The sentence in the manifesto was "Labour will not increase taxes on working people, which is why we will not increase National Insurance, the basic, higher, or additional rates of Income Tax, or VAT."

What they now claim is that the part of the sentence "we will not increase National Insurance" meant "we will not increase Employees' National Insurance", and if only we had read the hidden subtext in the small print we would have understood that Employer's National Insurance does not count as National Insurance.

As for farming, here's the proof.

DEFRA secretary Steve Reed admits he U-turned on farm inheritance tax

The secretary of state in charge of rural affairs, Steve Reed, has admitted he has changed his stance on farm inheritance tax because of the "£22bn black hole left by the Tories". When he was shadow DEFRA secretary, Mr Reed told two farmers' conferences a year ago Labour had no plans to change...

uk.news.yahoo.com

Ok.

Thanks for explaining.

In my opinion there was no lie on NI for employers as their statement was for working people and I knew what that meant. My payslip.

I can see how the farmers issue was a u turn on what was said.....but that was a year prior and not in the election.

I still think the statement "they lied to us on the election" is weak at best.

As I said before, I understand not liking the policies, but I can't see a lie from a manifesto/election campaign promise.

 

[Bodian]

You're clutching at straws now.

In what way?

I'm an accountant. I know what NIC is. It might not occur to you that Employer's National Insurance is National Insurance, but it does to me. If they wanted to be clear that they only referred to Employer's National Insurance, they could have been,. Using the excuse that it was hidden in the small print does not qualify as honesty.

It's in the same sentence / paragraph as an explanatory comment. It literally couldn't have been clearer.