Labour Party Conference

[Brian Fantana]

But he has been elected at a general election for 30 years! I do not understand your, and many others, statement.

The population at large will not vote Labour in large enough numbers at a General Election to deliver Corbyn as Prime Minister.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

But he has been elected at a general election for 30 years! I do not understand your, and many others, statement.

OK, sorry I am being unclear. To be more precise he , as leader of the Labour Party is unelectable to be Prime Minister. With him as leader the Labour Party will lose the next General Election. He will continue to be elected as MP for Islington but he will preside over a much reduced Parliamentary party and will have condemned the Labour Party to irrelevance.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Again I do not understand. The elected MPs vote for the prime minister not the voting public. The prime minister is the MP with the largest backing in parliament. All the electorate do is vote for local MPs.

And with JC as leader the centre ground in the country will not vote Labour which means they will not form the largest party.

 

[jakarta]

What lovely people Momentum are , and by extension Corbyn too , here is some merchandise on sale at the Labour Party conference taking the piss out of wounded servicemen http://order-order.com/2016/09/25/momentum-mock-injured-soldiers/

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To be fair to Corbyn, he was always very keen on the Army, it was just that it was the Irish Republican one he approved of.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Again I do not understand. The elected MPs vote for the prime minister not the voting public. The prime minister is the MP with the largest backing in parliament. All the electorate do is vote for local MPs.

*sigh* People will choose not to vote for their local Labour candidate, on the basis that Corbyn is leader of the party.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Ok. Why do people not just say this?

That's a good point. I don't know. I guess social media is not a great platform for debate as so much is assumed. Much easier to be clearer face to face down the pub.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

That's because he's in a constituency that's been Labour held since 1937 with a changing demographic that has cemented it as a rock-solid safe seat. Admittedly, Corbyn's radical politics does also add value given the kind of people that live in his part of London but if you stuck a red rosette on a fish finger it would win Islington North. It's the same with Nicholas Soames. You couldn't meet a more objectionable person yet the voters of Mid Sussex vote him in election after election.

He has a narrow range of appeal and it certainly isn't going to attract floating voters, disillusioned centrist Tories, Basildon Man, Worcester Woman or Scottish Nationalists - all of whom he will need to win the next election.

He won't hear. What with his fingers in his ears and shouting LA LA LA at the top of his voice. I respect what people like Corbyn believe in. And I would love a society that looked after its poor and disadvantaged and didn't abuse its workers for the betterment of rich businessmen. But I can think of no better analogy than Animal Farm. Or all communist countries. Look after the disabled and suddenly millions develop imaginary afflictions. Pay decent unemployment benefit and a lot of people will milk it forever. Give the unions more of a say and they will cry wolf far too many times to make legitimate strikes effective - like I believe the RMT are suffering from now.

Too many people remember these things from historic left wing governments to fall for it again. And some right wing folk use these abuses as reason for abolishing unions/benefits. Factor into all of this Corbyn going on about post work drinks being sexist and other such guff and outside of his core supporters, he will be seen as a Wolfie Smith. Give money to ethnic, one armed, lesbian single mothers. Tax high earners until the pips squeak. Whether that is reality or not, it is an image a lot of people will form.

I firmly believe that we have such a large majority of families that are getting by or better that it is not feasible to elect a very left wing party. Much as a lot of Corbyn's supporters despised Blair for moving to the right, it was the only way to make the party electable. Eat scraps at the top table or starve out the back feeling smug. A sad state of affairs that sticking to your idealistic left wing beliefs will push the country's government to the right because they know they can get away with it.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Seems a very silly thing to do. Why would they not vote for the local mp who they feel best represents them in parliament?

Until you remove the whip, what the leaders think is what the MPs think, whether they think it or not.

 

[looney]

Labour thought they could top up the Labour vote with immigrants to replace those that had gone tory but got it wrong. The immigrants included a group so politicly atavistic that even all the other immigrants are voting tory now.

What people are overlooking is that a hard left labour is unelectable and a centre left labour is also unelectable as it continues to shed more support than it gains, that old trope ẗhe tipping point¨ springs to mind, Labour have passed it.

Labour are well and truly screwed.

 

[Buzzer]

Clive Lewis is a pretty good orator, think he can become the acceptable face of a socialist labour party when Corbyn steps down.

Early days but there's many that agree. Ex-serviceman, which might be a tick in the box for the National Anthem crowd.

Apparently, Seumas Milne changed part of Clive Lewis' speech on Trident the wording of which had previously been agreed with Corbyn and Milne only let Lewis know minutes before. Lewis is said to have punched a wall in anger afterwards. Strange indeed as Lewis has been one of Corbyn's most loyal supporters and you'd think that Milne was acting way outside his remit.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...ive-lewis-trident-speech-changed-seumas-milne

 

[Brovion]

But he has been elected at a general election for 30 years! I do not understand your, and many others, statement.

Exactly right. Jeremy Corbyn IS electable as he has proved time and time again. Anyone who says otherwise is just wrong, plain and simple. Totally and utterly wrong. Corbyn fights elections and he wins; I'm not sure of his count but I'm pretty sure he's won far more elections than he's lost.

However after their mistakes have been pointed out people always backtrack and say "Ah, what I meant was Corbyn could never win a General Election as Labour leader and become Prime Minister." That of course is a completely different question. Islington and Labour party members aren't in the slightest representative of the country as a whole and on the face of it it does look an uphill task. But stranger things have happened. If May ****s up Brexit the Corbyn vision might seem enticing, and if people don't actually vote FOR him they might vote AGAINST May and the Tories. After all nobody thought the 'Leave' vote would win the Referendum.

However even if Corbyn loses the next General Election, and even if he loses his seat, he's still been 'electable'!

 

[Dick Swiveller]

So the recent mp uprising against Corbyn was because Corbyn wanted them to do it!? What a crazy conspiracy.

Sigh. You are here for the full hour argument, I guess. Corbyn was not leader when these MPs were selected to run and then won their seats - they run on Miliband's policies. Whether you like it or not, the General Election is a leader popularity contest for a large proportion of the electorate. And with a few noticeable exceptions on both sides, the vast majority of MP candidates will spout the party line outside of local issues come election time. I would guess if Corbyn is still leader than most of these rebels will not be Labour candidates at the next election.

 

[jakarta]

I would guess if Corbyn is still leader than most of these rebels will not be Labour candidates at the next election.

And what on earth will we have as the replacements to those MPs deselected if Momentum have their way? Lots of lost deposits on the horizon.

 

[ROSM]

That's because he's in a constituency that's been Labour held since 1937 with a changing demographic that has cemented it as a rock-solid safe seat. Admittedly, Corbyn's radical politics does also add value given the kind of people that live in his part of London but if you stuck a red rosette on a fish finger it would win Islington North. It's the same with Nicholas Soames. You couldn't meet a more objectionable person yet the voters of Mid Sussex vote him in election after election.

He has a narrow range of appeal and it certainly isn't going to attract floating voters, disillusioned centrist Tories, Basildon Man, Worcester Woman or Scottish Nationalists - all of whom he will need to win the next election.

Being the new labour party it might be a red rosette on a pork chop

 

[BensGrandad]

Usual party conference speil but still unelectable and not likely to ever be PM.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Ok. Why do people not just say this?

Because just about everyone else apart from you have no problem reading between the lines?

 

[alfredmizen]

But it's all shits and giggles with your old Bobby Sands avatar though eh Bushy.

I don't remember the said avatar , but are you trying to compare a convicted terrorist who was part of an organisation that murdered thousands , British service personnel and innocent civilians alike , with British soldiers wounded in the service of their country , really ?

 

[wellquickwoody]

Again I do not understand. The elected MPs vote for the prime minister not the voting public. The prime minister is the MP with the largest backing in parliament. All the electorate do is vote for local MPs.

Now you are just being a bellend.

 

[wellquickwoody]

No. That is what happens.

You are the weakest troll, goodbye.

 

[ewe2]

For our system to work,any government needs to have very strong and effective opposition...... .