Labour in Meltdown

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Yeah im a true blue too!

I can forsee Labour going into complete meltdown. I think the party will fragment and either form anouther party or join the Librals. Because with the blue you know what you get with them, with the Libs your sort of know what you get, Labour well the seem to be everywhere and dont give you what you want they just give you what they want to give you and take everything else!

Problem is though a landslide isn't healthy you need a strong opposition and a strong house leadership to have true reflective government and this has been lacking for a long time. When Maggie got in, Labour was in complete meltdown and continued until Smith became leader, the same has happened with the Tories until Cameron, unfortunately Haig was put in too young and with a dysfunctional party. His time will come again.

 

[ryeseagull]

I can forsee Labour going into complete meltdown. I think the party will fragment and either form anouther party or join the Librals. Because with the blue you know what you get with them, with the Libs your sort of know what you get, Labour well the seem to be everywhere and dont give you what you want they just give you what they want to give you and take everything else!

People said the same about the Tories after '97: the Europhiles vs. Euroskeptics.

We'll probably see another major swing as in '79 or '97, with Labour in the wilderness for a decade.

 

[User removed 4]

Down to their lowest poll rating ever 22% and they 19 points behind the toffs:

toffs ? oh do f*** off mate, and stop fighting class wars from 60 years ago.

 

[little al]

I'd like to see Labour relegated to the third party, with the Tories in power opposed by the LibDems.

 

[User removed 4]

I'd like to see Labour relegated to the third party, with the Tories in power opposed by the LibDems.

agreed

 

[drew]

its because the torys were the first to ACT on the MPs scandel. They are all guilty as sin, but call me dave cameron was the first to act. Plus Blue Dave has only ever claimed £100 EVER compaired to Browns...........

toffs ? oh do f*** off mate, and stop fighting class wars from 60 years ago.

I know there are a few champagne socialists in Labour but how many have claimed for cleaning a moat?

 

[drew]

I have to say that I am getting a little bit pissed of with all the muppets praising Cameron because he appeared to show leadership by taking action before Brown. Fact is, neither of them have shown any leadership in this corrupt saga. Leadership would have been undertaking a full audit of your party's MPs as soon as it was know that the receipts for the past 5 years were going to be published in full in July. Leadership would have been pre-empting any media publications by getting their house in order voluntarily rather than merely as a reaction to genuine public distaste.

Personally, I am disgusted by the antics of some of the labour MPs as, being of socialist persuasion, I expect more of people who are supposed to be looking out for those not so well off in our society. Tory MPs, I expect them to feather their own nest, that's what the Tory policies are always about.

At the end of the day, the only way the parties can move forward is to deselect any MP that has abused the system and people can then vote on a clean slate and for the party they truly support. Hopefully, after the next general election, there might be 615 MPs making their maiden parliamentary speech!!!!

 

[Stoo82]

People said the same about the Tories after '97: the Europhiles vs. Euroskeptics.

We'll probably see another major swing as in '79 or '97, with Labour in the wilderness for a decade.

I see your point. But Labour really have f***ed it up big time. They have the lowest polls ever and have one of the most umpopular PMs of all time. At least Maggie was voted in.

Everytime Labour have been in power they leave the country broke. After the 70's they did say that Labour could not get into power again. Then Mandi and Alister came in a re-branded the party and the won in 97. I just can't see them being able to re-brand themselves again.

Also, politicaly England is mostly blue and the other countrys in Britain were mostly red. Now Scotland and wales's natinalist party are become more popular. Whos going to vote for Labour? The serious question is will they fall behind the liberals.

Im glad, because i hate Labour. But we do need a strong system of government that allows strong oposition aswell. But Labour fideld with everything and now they are reeping what they sow.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

scary that Liberals might get as many seats as Labour.

18 seats after the next General Election would be a truely shitty result for Labour.

 

[Don Quixote]

Of course Labour can change leader and not have a general election. They should do it now then maybe they can get a hung parlement if they are lucky.

 

[vulture]

toffs ? oh do f*** off mate, and stop fighting class wars from 60 years ago.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Of course Labour can change leader and not have a general election. They should do it now then maybe they can get a hung parlement if they are lucky.

Even Alan Johnson cant save them now.

 

[Don Quixote]

They'll have to bring back the old Socialists i think. Dennis Skinner is still there, maybe they'll have to ship that old tramp Michael Foot back in. Unleash Sir Tony i say, that'll destroy these horrible capitalists!

 

[User removed 4]

maybe they'll have to ship that old tramp Michael Foot back in.

slightly off topic but i've shagged his granddaughter

 

[Stoo82]

why do you think people elected Labour in 1997?
Its because they wern't Socialists.
Labour are always unelctable when they turn Socialists.

Tony wasn't one Brown is. hmmmmm. Will Brown win?

Trust me. They will not put anouth unelected PM in power during this Parliament.

 

[Common as Mook]

slightly off topic but i've shagged his granddaughter

 

[bigc]

why do you think people elected Labour in 1997?
Its because they wern't Socialists.
Labour are always unelctable when they turn Socialists.

Tony wasn't one Brown is. hmmmmm. Will Brown win?

Trust me. They will not put anouth unelected PM in power during this Parliament.

Well they could appoint a new leader and then call an election, therefore not putting them in power during the parliament but fighting the election with a different leader.

Whether that would make much of a difference in the polls, who knows? They are all over the place, in November, yougov had the lead down to 1, it was over 20% last summer, and now it is in the mid teens. It is a very volatile environment.

Brown is about as such of a socialist as Blair is, he hasn't exactly pleased the left of the Labour Party.

Whatever you, mr bad speller, think, Cameron hasn't been able to capture the public mood a la Blair. I am not saying I am a fan, but that is a simple objective fact. Blair judged the mood well, Cameron IS doing well exploiting the current Lab weakness, but he doesn't appear to have tapped a mood.

 

[Stoo82]

Well they could appoint a new leader and then call an election, therefore not putting them in power during the parliament but fighting the election with a different leader.

Whether that would make much of a difference in the polls, who knows? They are all over the place, in November, yougov had the lead down to 1, it was over 20% last summer, and now it is in the mid teens. It is a very volatile environment.

Brown is about as such of a socialist as Blair is, he hasn't exactly pleased the left of the Labour Party.

Whatever you, mr bad speller, think, Cameron hasn't been able to capture the public mood a la Blair. I am not saying I am a fan, but that is a simple objective fact. Blair judged the mood well, Cameron IS doing well exploiting the current Lab weakness, but he doesn't appear to have tapped a mood.

Hey, Mr Great Speller, (i like that ) yes they would be best to call an election straight away if they changed leader. But i just dont see it happening. They would change him and then we the public would say, "well who are you anyway?" Its a bad move. People need a few years to decide wether they like a political leader.

Brown is a commi, simple as that. But he has to please the right and centre of his party too. And as i have stated, Labour and Brown know that they will never win an election as Socialists.

Blair never patured the public mood. His screaming fans outside no 10 the day after he won was spin. They where members of the party who where shipped in. Yes in 1997 there was a massive need for change and we got it. Did people not start getting pissed off with Blair straight away? I seem to remember it. Not that the torys where up to the challenge, so we just stuck with him.

Its important to remmebr that Governments or Political Parties dont win power, they lose it. This government is/has headed the same way as John Major's. Its falling apart and knowbody knows who is really in charge.

Call me dave cameron is not perfect. People say he has no real policies. Why do you think that might be? Its beacuse Brown always nicks them when the torys anounce them. Whats the point of Labour being in charge if they just nick the opositions ideas?!


Regarding polls, i think i saw today that Labour have hit a record low in the polls. the other two partys about a couple of points down aswell.

 

[Don Quixote]

Brown a commi Do you know what a commi is? Trotsky and Lenin are Commi's... Brown is a capitalist.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Brown a commi Do you know what a commi is? Trotky and Lenin are Commi's... Brown is a capitalist.

The policies he's followed would not be that of a capitalist. A capitalist is someone who - is skilled in large scale financial transactions. Someone who is successful in accumulating wealth. Believes in investment in business.

Something Brown certainly isn't