Labour in Meltdown

[Stoo82]

According to Figes, Lenin had always been an advocate of “mass terror against enemies of the revolution” and was open about his view that the proletarian state was a system of organized violence against the capitalist establishment

When Kamenev and Bukharin tried to curb the “excesses” of the Cheka in late 1918, it was Lenin who defended it.[67] In 1921, the Politboro, chaired by Lenin, expanded the Cheka's use of the death penalty.[68]

The greater the number of representatives of the reactionary clergy and reactionary bourgeoisie we succeed in executing (…) the better.”[69] Estimates of the numbers of the clergy killed vary. According to Figes[70] and The Black Book of Communism,[71] 2,691 priests, 1,962 monks and 3,447 nuns were executed as a result of Lenin's aforementioned directives

shall i go on?

 

[Pot noodles for everyone]

Those figures are due to the civil war in 1917, it wasn't Lenin personally sending people to death camps or siberia like Stalin it was a result of the civil war.

a civil war carried out because of people like Lenin. Stalin didn't personally kill millions either but his policies did.

Lenin was happy for thousands of White Russians to be persecuted in the name of political expediency. He was happy to kill children to prevent his enemies regrouping. If he had not died in 1923 then there would still have been the gulags, the murders and the oppression. He was evil and you need to reconsider your heroes.

 

[Don Quixote]

a civil war carried out because of people like Lenin. Stalin didn't personally kill millions either but his policies did.

Lenin was happy for thousands of White Russians to be persecuted in the name of political expediency. He was happy to kill children to prevent his enemies regrouping. If he had not died in 1923 then there would still have been the gulags, the murders and the oppression. He was evil and you need to reconsider your heroes.

Woa, i never said he was my hero! Calm down. Its just when i went to Russia there seemed to be loads of statues of Lenin around so i presumed he can't have been too bad since they seem to love him over there. They hate Stalin though.

 

[Pot noodles for everyone]

Yeah. That's why Leningrad changed it's name to St Petersburg at the first opportunity. First clue that you're in an oppressive dictatorship is the number of statues in honour of political leaders.

 

[Stoo82]

Woa, i never said he was my hero! Calm down. Its just when i went to Russia there seemed to be loads of statues of Lenin around so i presumed he can't have been too bad since they seem to love him over there. They hate Stalin though.

I beleave they still like Stalin for the fight against the Nazis. Well in Georgia they do. I have been studying him the last few weeks.

I can also tell you that Lenin hated Stalin and yes Stalin was way way worse than Lenin. But Lenin was still a bastard.

 

[Don Quixote]

Have you ever been to Russia?

 

[Don Quixote]

I beleave they still like Stalin for the fight against the Nazis. Well in Georgia they do. I have been studying him the last few weeks.

I can also tell you that Lenin hated Stalin and yes Stalin was way way worse than Lenin. But Lenin was still a bastard.

Stalin's grave has a small statue of him and that's the only monument to him. Not something that brings me to believe the nation like him very much.

 

[Stoo82]

Have you ever been to Russia?

Me?

No.

 

[coventrygull]

Stalin's grave has a small statue of him and that's the only monument to him. Not something that brings me to believe the nation like him very much.

Oh I don't know. There are a few oldies around that still like him

 

[Chief Wiggum]

"Educashun; Educashun; Educashun" - see, Labour policees 'ave wurked - we 'ave sum veri intelljunt peepal on ere

 

[Stoo82]

Yes, because the way you spell sugests how intelligent you are. Good job Steven Hawkins doesn't have to do a little dance.

 

[1234andcounting]

Yes, because the way you spell sugests how intelligent you are. Good job Steven Hawkins doesn't have to do a little dance.

No, it isn't irrefutable proof of intelligence, but the ability to spell and construct grammatically correct sentences indicates that you may just have been paying attention at school and/or read books and newspapers on a regular basis.

 

[Stoo82]

No, it isn't irrefutable proof of intelligence, but the ability to spell and construct grammatically correct sentences indicates that you may just have been paying attention at school and/or read books and newspapers on a regular basis.

or you suffer from Dyslexia.

 

[coventrygull]

I love the "I am more intelligent than you" binfests on here.

 

[1234andcounting]

or you suffer from Dyslexia.

Fair point, although I thought the jury was still out on that one.

 

[vulture]

Only because Lenin died in 1923 and Trotsky was exiled. Lenin had no problem with murdering children in the name of communism. Russian royal family ring any bells?

Whos father the tsar killed Millons

 

[Stoo82]

Whos father the tsar killed Millons

Tiss true. Also our loverly government refused them entry into Britain for fear of a communist uprising. He was also cousin to George V.

Its a very strainge world we live in.

 

[Hunting 784561]

Stoo.

I suspect that you may have some reasonably coherent arguments to put forward - on what is traditionally a fairly left/liberal leaning board - but only if one has the ability to get past what is some truly atrocious spelling.

pip-pip

 

[Stoo82]

Hey, I have right wing views on some things, left wing views on others, and sometimes im stuck in the middle.

I can completely understand that spelling is a problem of mine, and although there are some words I just can't spell, some are just typos, but most are shamefuly just down to sheer bloody lazyness.

 

[vulture]

god it gets worse for brown down to 20% in the polls tonight lowest ever again