[Politics] Labour has suspended former leader Jeremy Corbyn

[BenGarfield]

What did you make of the findings of the universally admired EHRC?

I asked first - dont try to answer a question with another question. I and many tohers dont admire the EHRC therefore its not universally admired

 

[Weststander]

I asked first - dont try to answer a question with another question. I and many tohers dont admire the EHRC therefore its not universally admired

The unbiased report came out before a TV ‘expose’ with an angle. Shirley you examined the report with an open mind, before getting rather excited about a TV prog?

Thought not.

Revealing tunnel vision for; anti semitism didn’t occur in the Labour Party, Margaret Hodge and Luciana didn’t require special police protection.

How sad you put your passion for Corbyn and Momentum, over racism.

 

[BenGarfield]

As I said it is only middle ground that will get a party elected these days. Not for me but a great pity that those with real left wing views no longer have anybody to vote for.

Trouble is the middle ground keeps moving rightwards

 

[Triggaaar]

What did you make of the findings of the universally admired EHRC?

Yeah, but what did you make of Jihad Jimmy's thesis on it, eh?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It would be if the taxation was substantially increased. It's a global market for a lot of companies, so they have plenty of choice when it comes to where to base themsekves.



Obviously labour costs have an impact too, but those car manufacturing companies would make tax deals with our governments in order to stay

About a year ago there was some European businessman who said what encourages many businesses to invest in a country is political and economic stability. Yes, tax plays a part, but this means little if it could all change rapidly.

This made sense to me, and is arguably backed up by the lack of inward investment in the UK these days.

 

[Jim in the West]

I am the exact opposite. I also know plenty of “older” people who are left wing and more socially minded.

Me too - just ticked past 60 (does that qualify as older?!) and definitely much more socially minded. I think when I was in my thirties and forties I was far too busy trying to climb the greasy corporate pole, working crazy hours, etc - I didn't spend much time looking around me and worrying about those less fortunate than me. I have more time now, and frankly I'm getting very depressed at the huge disparities in our society. One way to help reduce those inequalities is to avoid voting Tory - which I intend to do at the next General Election!

 

[The Clamp]

About a year ago there was some European businessman who said what encourages many businesses to invest in a country is political and economic stability. Yes, tax plays a part, but this means little if it could all change rapidly.

This made sense to me, and is arguably backed up by the lack of inward investment in the UK these days.

Agree. Also I think the world doesn’t like the U.K. much anymore.

Our behaviour, our colonial past, our rudeness to the rest of Europe, our cheating, lying politicians, our arrogance.

Our foreign policy, our treatment of refugees and asylum seekers, our treatment of our own. Our massive own goal with Brexit - nobody likes a loser.

Our assumption the world would want to trade with us and the reality that we now only deal with toxic territories like Rwanda or territories that are bending us over, like India.

We are a toxic, laughing stock. Haemorrhaging money, talent, and workers at an alarming rate.

Who the f*** would want to align with us? We are the dribbling ninny at the back of the class with his fingers up his own arsehole.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Me too - just ticked past 60 (does that qualify as older?!) and definitely much more socially minded. I think when I was in my thirties and forties I was far too busy trying to climb the greasy corporate pole, working crazy hours, etc - I didn't spend much time looking around me and worrying about those less fortunate than me. I have more time now, and frankly I'm getting very depressed at the huge disparities in our society. One way to help reduce those inequalities is to avoid voting Tory - which I intend to do at the next General Election!

well said.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Agree. Also I think the world doesn’t like the U.K. much anymore.

Our behaviour, our colonial past, our rudeness to the rest of Europe, our cheating, lying politicians, our arrogance.

Our foreign policy, our treatment of refugees and asylum seekers, our treatment of our own. Our massive own goal with Brexit - nobody likes a loser.

Our assumption the world would want to trade with us and the reality that we now only deal with toxic territories like Rwanda or territories that are bending us over, like India.

We are a toxic, laughing stock. Haemorrhaging money, talent, and workers at an alarming rate.

Who the f*** would want to align with us? We are the dribbling ninny at the back of the class with his fingers up his own arsehole.

Also well said

 

[Weststander]

About a year ago there was some European businessman who said what encourages many businesses to invest in a country is political and economic stability. Yes, tax plays a part, but this means little if it could all change rapidly.

This made sense to me, and is arguably backed up by the lack of inward investment in the UK these days.

Why did tax avoiding US companies choose Lux, Ireland and Netherlands as their European HQ’s? All offered much lower tax rates.

 

[Weststander]

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[BenGarfield]

The unbiased report came out before a TV ‘expose’ with an angle. Shirley you examined the report with an open mind, before getting rather excited about a TV prog?

Thought not.

Revealing tunnel vision for; anti semitism didn’t occur in the Labour Party, Margaret Hodge and Luciana didn’t require special police protection.

How sad you put your passion for Corbyn and Momentum, over racism.

I know this a football forum but dont try and move the goalposts by diverting my original questrion. I repeat - you claimed that the Al Jareeza report was biased and innacurate. Can you give me specific examples of this?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Why did tax avoiding US companies choose Lux, Ireland and Netherlands as their European HQ’s? All offered much lower tax rates.

The guy I refer to was not suggesting stability is the only thing all businesses look for. But he suggested it plays a significant part. There will always be exceptions.

For sure there are some high profile companies who were attracted by low tax. Is this a trend? How do Lux, Ireland and Nederlands compare to other counties? We don’t really see this in the news.

Those three nations strike me as relatively stable as well. Win win!

 

[Monkey Man]

Agree. Also I think the world doesn’t like the U.K. much anymore.

Our behaviour, our colonial past, our rudeness to the rest of Europe, our cheating, lying politicians, our arrogance.

Our foreign policy, our treatment of refugees and asylum seekers, our treatment of our own. Our massive own goal with Brexit - nobody likes a loser.

Our assumption the world would want to trade with us and the reality that we now only deal with toxic territories like Rwanda or territories that are bending us over, like India.

We are a toxic, laughing stock. Haemorrhaging money, talent, and workers at an alarming rate.

Who the f*** would want to align with us? We are the dribbling ninny at the back of the class with his fingers up his own arsehole.

I know what you mean, and I'm constantly apologising to overseas clients and associates for the imbecility of Brexit, and distancing myself from the actions of our disgraceful government.

However, people in most countries in the world feel some level of embarrassment about their politicians and sometimes their foreign policy. And much of Europe has a colonial past that feels shameful these days. So we're not such a special case on those fronts.

I'm constantly surprised at how understanding people in other countries are about the state of play in the UK, how knowledgeable they are about our politics, and how much affection they still seem to have for the UK, its traditions, its people, its culture ... its football.

I think I understand why. For example, I love France. Even if Le Pen and her crew took power, even if France reversed out of the EU, even if the French government brought back the guillotine and started dumping nuclear waste in the Channel, I don't think it would affect my personal relationships with French people, or with the country generally. Sometimes countries just have terrible leaders and they enact terrible policies.

 

[Triggaaar]

About a year ago there was some European businessman who said what encourages many businesses to invest in a country is political and economic stability. Yes, tax plays a part, but this means little if it could all change rapidly.

This made sense to me, and is arguably backed up by the lack of inward investment in the UK these days.

Yes it does make sense that companies want a certain type of politics, and they want to be confident that that type of politics is there to stay. North Korea's politics and economy is stable, but I'm not sure many companies want to invest there.

 

[Weststander]

The guy I refer to was not suggesting stability is the only thing all businesses look for. But he suggested it plays a significant part. There will always be exceptions.

For sure there are some high profile companies who were attracted by low tax. Is this a trend? How do Lux, Ireland and Nederlands compare to other counties? We don’t really see this in the news.

Those three nations strike me as relatively stable as well. Win win!

The EU took Ireland to court over it, it's immoral. It's been costed at multi £10b's per year, that's the cost to France, Germany etc, nations not playing the game.

Shirley their stable too.

The factor that swung it for the tax avoidance nations, ultra low CT rates on entire EU zone profits.

 

[Triggaaar]

Me too - just ticked past 60 (does that qualify as older?!) and definitely much more socially minded. I think when I was in my thirties and forties I was far too busy trying to climb the greasy corporate pole, working crazy hours, etc - I didn't spend much time looking around me and worrying about those less fortunate than me. I have more time now, and frankly I'm getting very depressed at the huge disparities in our society. One way to help reduce those inequalities is to avoid voting Tory - which I intend to do at the next General Election!

So next election, you're not going to vote Tory. It sounds like you have before. That sounds like you're moving to the left, but it hardly sounds like you've turned into a socialist.

 

[Weststander]

I know this a football forum but dont try and move the goalposts by diverting my original questrion. I repeat - you claimed that the Al Jareeza report was biased and innacurate. Can you give me specific examples of this?

You still won't read the independent report.

Why not?

Afraid that in black and white it exposes racism in Corbyn's Labour Party and the fact that he didn't deal with it.

Are you against other forms of racism, but Jewish folk are fair game?

 

[Triggaaar]

The guy I refer to was not suggesting stability is the only thing all businesses look for. But he suggested it plays a significant part. There will always be exceptions.

For sure there are some high profile companies who were attracted by low tax. Is this a trend? How do Lux, Ireland and Nederlands compare to other counties? We don’t really see this in the news.

Those three nations strike me as relatively stable as well. Win win!

Agreed, win win. If we have stable governments and substantially increase our taxes, from a company's point of view that's win/lose. We need win win, or at least win/draw if we're going to encourage companies to invest here.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Agree. Also I think the world doesn’t like the U.K. much anymore.

Tell that to Ukraine - along with the States we're still leading the way with support.

BTW, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Germany (amongst others) have a colonial past.