[Politics] Labour has suspended former leader Jeremy Corbyn

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Indeed Swanny, indeed.

But just like with Boris, many have just gobbled up the right wing pro-Zionist newspaper headlines - and they make it true!

I don't find it incompatible to have no issues at all with the religion of Judaism whilst finding the extreme right wing State of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians totally abhorrent.

I think we can all agree with that.

It is the 'drive the Jews into the sea' bit that resonates with the 'big nose' tropes in the mural (that Corbyn eventually accepted is anti-Semitic), etc., etc., etc., that is the problem. It is my (former) union voting to boycott Israel and any nation or company that does business with Israel, while having no such arrangement for China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia or Zimbabwe, that is the problem. The problem known as antisemitism.

And 'Whatabout Netanyahu?' is not the correct answer.

 

[aolstudios]

Indeed Swanny, indeed.

But just like with Boris, many have just gobbled up the right wing pro-Zionist newspaper headlines - and they make it true!

I don't find it incompatible to have no issues at all with the religion of Judaism whilst finding the extreme right wing State of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians totally abhorrent.

The local party absolutely oozed with AS. As did many. The worst racism I've seen in this country since fighting the NF & BNP on the streets as a teenager. I've seen it, I've heard it, it's only just calming down. Call it 'Right wing pro Zionist newspaper headlines' if it makes you feel better.. You're enthusiastically covering for obsessive racists.
Well done

 

[Lenny Rider]

And nearly 13 years of Tory government hasn't led to a "national meltdown"? How long are we going to take to recover from high inflation, high interest rates, high prices, huge borrowing, high Council Tax, increased use of foodbanks, NHS in total decay, increase in crime, "institutionally racist, misogynistic and homophobic police force"..........

Just how much worse could a Corbyn led Labour government have made things do you think?

I get what you say re the Tories, but IMHO Corbyn, along with McDonnell and Abbott, would have gone down a policy route which would have created far more division and chaos than we've ever had before, McDonnell's extreme economic policy unless he was stopped fairly early on would have turned us eventually into something approaching a third world country and Abbott as Home Secretary, seriously?

They clearly were the classic definition of the Looney Left.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Whatever the various Tory PM's have or haven't done since the last GE, this country dodged a huge bullet when the electorate failed to elect Corbyn as PM.

A government led by him would have seen a national meltdown this country would have taken decades to recover from.

You've made me realise how Jolly lucky we were to get Johnson, Hancock, Patel, Truss, Kwarteng, Braverman, JRM, Mad Nad etc in Government to save the country.

Imagine if Corbyn had been in 'letting the bodies pile high', 'f***ing business', setting up companies to supply unusable PPE through illegal fast track programs, putting borders in the Irish sea, destroying British exports, failing to put any import controls in place, letting inflation and the cost of living escalate at a rate of knots, crashing GDP, increasing mortgage costs through incompetent budgets, whilst all the while illegally partying throughout and lying about it in Parliament, to the Queen, to his partner and leaving an economic s***storm that will take decades to recover.

That was certainly a close call

 

[Lenny Rider]

You've made me realise how Jolly lucky we were to get Johnson, Hancock, Patel, Truss, Kwarteng, Braverman, JRM, Mad Nad etc in Government to save the country.

Imagine if Corbyn had been in 'letting the bodies pile high', 'f***ing business', setting up companies to supply unusable PPE through illegal fast track programs, putting borders in the Irish sea, destroying British exports, failing to put any import controls in place, letting inflation and the cost of living escalate at a rate of knots, crashing GDP, increasing mortgage costs through incompetent budgets, whilst all the while illegally partying throughout and lying about it in Parliament, to the Queen, to his partner and leaving an economic s***storm that will take decades to recover.

That was certainly a close call

You think Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot would have faired any better?

 

[WATFORD zero]

You think Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot would have faired any better?

I think the Chuckle Brothers and Zippy couldn't have done any worse

And yes, I'm fully aware one of those is dead and another is a bit of old cloth stuffed with newspapers

 

[Is it PotG?]

I think the Chuckle Brothers and Zippy couldn't have done any worse

You leave the Milibands and Thornberry out of this.

 

[Hugo Rune]

So this is the allegedly antisemitic mural, portraying bank owners (some Jewish, some not) playing monopoly on the backs of presumably suffering people. Of course he could have included some black fellas and a couple of Asian blokes, but how many big banks in Mear Ones native country (the US) are owned by black/Asian people?

Is criticism of bank owners and the banking system antisemitism just because there's Jewish ownership of a couple of the biggest banks?

Thanks for proving my point that labelling people as antisemites is used as a tool to suppress the social commentary, art and politics of those seeking to challenge those with insurmountable amounts of wealth and power.

You’ve managed to pick an image that was used in the recent anti-semitic training I went on. This image is anti-semitic (by definition) and was used to demonstrate how the left slip into anti-semitism without necessarily realising why. Like others, I’m surprised at your ignorance in this area.

 

[aolstudios]

You’ve managed to pick an image that was used in the recent anti-semitic training I went on. This image is anti-semitic (by definition) and was used to demonstrate how the left slip into anti-semitism without necessarily realising why. Like others, I’m surprised at your ignorance in this area.

I'd say 'ignorance' is way too kind

 

[Swansman]

You’ve managed to pick an image that was used in the recent anti-semitic training I went on. This image is anti-semitic (by definition) and was used to demonstrate how the left slip into anti-semitism without necessarily realising why. Like others, I’m surprised at your ignorance in this area.

Disagree.

Leftists aren't slipping into antisemitism. The right wing and the media are always expanding the antisemitism definition in order to keep politicians that are more concerned about society, and those struggling in it, out of power, making sure that those who have wealth and power continue to have that.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Disagree.

Leftists aren't slipping into antisemitism. The right wing and the media are always expanding the antisemitism definition in order to keep politicians that are more concerned about society, and those struggling in it, out of power, making sure that those who have wealth and power continue to have that.

You don’t get to define antisemitism, that’s for the victims to decide. You are confusing the Jewish race with politics and power.

Incidentally, is that a depiction of you in the image?

 

[aolstudios]

Disagree.

Leftists aren't slipping into antisemitism. The right wing and the media are always expanding the antisemitism definition in order to keep politicians that are more concerned about society, and those struggling in it, out of power, making sure that those who have wealth and power continue to have that.

Nah mate. You're a stinking racist.
I can smell you from here.
If you had a brain you'd be dangerous

 

[Swansman]

You don’t get to define antisemitism, that’s for the victims to decide. You are confusing the Jewish race with politics and power.

Incidentally, is that a depiction of you in the image?

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No its not for the victims to decide. It cant work that way for obvious reasons. The "victims" can't decide its antisemitism to criticise big banking, just like eg "victims" of fat-shaming can't decide it is fat-shaming if I smoke a cigarette. If victims of any kind of oppression gets to decide what they are oppressed by, no one could do anything. If a feminist says you're a sexist because your wear shorts, it doesn't automatically mean she is right just because she is a victim of sexism.

Nah mate. You're a stinking racist.
I can smell you from here.
If you had a brain you'd be dangerous

And if you had a brain you wouldn't think I'm a racist so that makes your whole "point" invalid.

This is what racism looks like:

Savages.
& as mentioned above, so are all others in middle East, Africa & wherever else with anything similar.
f***ing savages, all of them

Someone who is pro-Zionist and pro-Israel thinks Arabs and Africans are savages. How uncommon.

It is usually what pro-Zionists do: call criticism of Zionist leaders racist/barbarian/whatever, just to five minutes later celebrate Israel bombing some children's hospital in Palestine.

 

[aolstudios]

No its not for the victims to decide. It cant work that way for obvious reasons. The "victims" can't decide its antisemitism to criticise big banking, just like eg "victims" of fat-shaming can't decide it is fat-shaming if I smoke a cigarette. If victims of any kind of oppression gets to decide what they are oppressed by, no one could do anything. If a feminist says you're a sexist because your wear shorts, it doesn't automatically mean she is right just because she is a victim of sexism.

And if you had a brain you wouldn't think I'm a racist so that makes your whole "point" invalid.

This is what racism looks like:


Someone who is pro-Zionist and pro-Israel thinks Arabs and Africans are savages. How uncommon.

It is usually what pro-Zionists do: call criticism of Zionist leaders racist/barbarian/whatever, just to five minutes later celebrate Israel bombing some children's hospital in Palestine.

I said regimes that have the death penalty for gay people are savages.
But you knew that.
Dishonest, thick & racist

 

[Live by the sea]

You’ve managed to pick an image that was used in the recent anti-semitic training I went on. This image is anti-semitic (by definition) and was used to demonstrate how the left slip into anti-semitism without necessarily realising why. Like others, I’m surprised at your ignorance in this area.

I’m not surprised at all about anything negative Swanny says about Israel or the Jewish people in general , he clearly has a chip on his shoulder . A very big one .

 

[Swansman]

I said regimes that have the death penalty for gay people are savages.
But you knew that.
Dishonest, thick & racist

I'll take that as a compliment from you or anyone else licking upwards and kicking downwards.

 

[Live by the sea]

No its not for the victims to decide. It cant work that way for obvious reasons. The "victims" can't decide its antisemitism to criticise big banking, just like eg "victims" of fat-shaming can't decide it is fat-shaming if I smoke a cigarette. If victims of any kind of oppression gets to decide what they are oppressed by, no one could do anything. If a feminist says you're a sexist because your wear shorts, it doesn't automatically mean she is right just because she is a victim of sexism.

And if you had a brain you wouldn't think I'm a racist so that makes your whole "point" invalid.

This is what racism looks like:


Someone who is pro-Zionist and pro-Israel thinks Arabs and Africans are savages. How uncommon.

It is usually what pro-Zionists do: call criticism of Zionist leaders racist/barbarian/whatever, just to five minutes later celebrate Israel bombing some children's hospital in Palestine.

Some of my best friends are Jewish and proud of their background , they are horrified when they see any news footage of Palestinian civilians getting hurt accidentally or not by the IDF . They hold Israel to high standards in their actions . You have a very one sided view of a complicated conflict.

Only one person has ever been given the death penalty in Israel and that was a very high ranking Nazi responsible for 100’s of thousands of deaths .

Even the man who sold Israel’s nuclear secrets a few years back was only put in prison despite his potentially extremely dangerous actions towards the security of the state of Israel.

I can think of numerous other countries including western countries where the punishment would have been a lot more severe !

 

[Hugo Rune]

No its not for the victims to decide. It cant work that way for obvious reasons. The "victims" can't decide its antisemitism to criticise big banking, just like eg "victims" of fat-shaming can't decide it is fat-shaming if I smoke a cigarette. If victims of any kind of oppression gets to decide what they are oppressed by, no one could do anything. If a feminist says you're a sexist because your wear shorts, it doesn't automatically mean she is right just because she is a victim of sexism.

Criticise big banking all you like, but it gets antisemitic when there is an image of a Jew with a big nose counting money. Why can’t critics of Israel or banking leave out that stuff? These tropes are as old as antisemitism itself and are detailed here https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/a-definition-of-antisemitism along with the ‘new world order - the world is run by the Jews’ conspiracy shit.

This sort of thing has been debunked and is not ok. Propoganda like this helped thousands of Germans conspire to kill millions and millions of Jews last century.

 

[Swansman]

I’m not surprised at all about anything negative Swanny says about Israel or the Jewish people in general , he clearly has a chip on his shoulder . A very big one .

No problems with Jews in general. Why would I?

Not surprised a lot of people here run in to defend Zionist (and non-Zionist) bankers, transnational business owners and imperialists as you've spent several centuries carrying out looting, raping, killing and colonialising all over the world on their command.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I get what you say re the Tories, but IMHO Corbyn, along with McDonnell and Abbott, would have gone down a policy route which would have created far more division and chaos than we've ever had before, McDonnell's extreme economic policy unless he was stopped fairly early on would have turned us eventually into something approaching a third world country and Abbott as Home Secretary, seriously?

They clearly were the classic definition of the Looney Left.

I agree they were shit. But it was the indecisiveness of Corbyn that was his main problem, not his socialism. The irony is that, when Covid arrived, our government - like all other western goverments - spaffed eye-watering amounts of taxpayer money shoring things up. So I'm not sure that Corbyn spaffing what would have been less (that was his plan before Covid) in an attempt to do some social engineering would in the end have created the chaos predicted by the right (and a great deal of the middle to be fair). There would have been chaos but much of that would have been due to active resistance to change and deliberate tanking of the economy by the people who control the economy. 'We can't allow socialism to succeed'. I have heard that one before. Or maybe they would have shown a bit of restraint and compassion (towards the taxpayer) and let it ride. Maybe it would have been....OK.

Abbot is quite bright underneath her gesture politicking. Spare head three is all talk and no action.

It was the prospect of two geography teachers and someone who wanted to be a British Angela Davis, but was more Betty Davis, seeking power, that filled me with negativity. But who knows?

At least they aren't egregiously venal, corrupt, lazy and incompetent like the Johnson, Truss, Sunak dynasty. . .