[Politics] Labour annual conference

[Eeyore]

There is a colossal divide in generational thinking at the moment, probably the biggest divide in this country. Young people feel very disenfranchised as they don't really see the issues that they face reflected in politics

I think you'll start to see fluid sexuality and gender much more normalised in politics and popular culture. For example there's absolutely no way a trans politician could become Prime Minister in this era (or probably even a high ranking cabinet member), how many gay or lesbian high profile politicians have there even been? But in 20-30 years this simply won't be seen as an issue, in the same way that now there are many politicians from ethnic minorities which wouldn't have been common place previously. A lot of young people aren't interested in labelling their sexuality at all....they might fancy a girl for a bit, then fancy a guy for a bit

Another one I'm hoping will change is elitism which is rife in the UK. I'm kinda hoping that the fact that most millenials are skint will result in lower uptake in private schooling. For example I know quite a few people who went to fairly prestigious private schools who could never dream of sending their kids to one as it's simply out of their budget and that's despite them being the wealthiest people I know of my age group- it's simply not realistic for them.

I'm probably waffling and I'm certainly no expert, just generally quite observant and I do think there's a colossal disconnect between generations now which could lead to a big political shift in the future

It's a good point. The argument against same sex marriage, even Civil Partnerships, raged on. But now no-one mentions it (except a tiny minority who really are small in number now). And really all those that are left come into a single band for the most part. They don't like gays (although they may not be too vocal on that) they don't like immigrants, you know the drill.

I like the way are society is going, I have reservations about the absolutist attitudes and the new liberal puritanicalism though with its 'cancel' culture. If folk can be encouraged to engage a bit more rather than judge then things will work out.

It's interesting how it has developed though, against a back drop of a right wing media in general. Princess Diana was a greater catalyst and force for good than I ever gave her credit for. I say this because I think she is the biggest single influence on liberal culture since the war. Those who recognise how far gay rights have come in 30 years can trace it back to those handshakes.

 

[Baker lite]

are you sure it's not your home town avoiding you?

Nah.
Brighton has gone rapidly down hill in the last 20 years. Full of ripe students.
Fantastic growing up there, would hate to live there now. I’ve moved on, the town has become a third world shit pit. Residents don’t give a flying **** about the town now.
Not for me Clive.

 

[rogersix]

Nah.
Brighton has gone rapidly down hill in the last 20 years. Full of ripe students.
Fantastic growing up there, would hate to live there now. I’ve moved on, the town has become a third world shit pit. Residents don’t give a flying **** about the town now.
Not for me Clive.

you don't like people who learn things, do you?

 

[dazzer6666]

Get you! x

Fair comment though…..anyone in opposition to BJ and his cronies should be ****ing MILES ahead in the polls.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

All our political parties are dogshite. There are no Statesmen (all genders included for the wokes) in parliament anymore, no one to put your trust in who puts the needs of the country and people first, before their own selfish agendas. Take Margaret Thatcher and Tony Benn, for example, both, hugely intelligent people, able to hold their own with their peers, but polar opposites, but believed in what they said, be it right or wrong. Now we’re stuck with Johnson, Starmer and whoever is the leader of the Lib-Dems. All very worrying.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Only usually travel into my hometown on match days now, it’s turned into a nasty,third world fly hole, full of trots, greens and jugglers that smell of B O.
Not for me Clive.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Edit. Can’t be arsed.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Fair comment though…..anyone in opposition to BJ and his cronies should be ****ing MILES ahead in the polls.

The electorate is always a little slow to keep up.

And Boris is charismatic. I say that without any irony.

 

[dazzer6666]

The electorate is always a little slow to keep up.

And Boris is charismatic. I say that without any irony.

I agree…….but any deeper analysis doesn’t show him in a good light. Starmer must be some kind of twunt to not be able to rinse him on a daily basis.

We are not well-served by our elected representatives

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I agree…….but any deeper analysis doesn’t show him in a good light. Starmer must be some kind of twunt to not be able to rinse him on a daily basis.

We are not well-served by our elected representatives

No point rinsing him every day. The little yorkshireman rinsed Blair every day. And lost. You have to rinse on election mind-making up days. It is all a long way off. Strategy is no doubt being considered.

If we beat Palarse on Monday we are Top Of The League. Will we win it in the end? And in politics, points on the board don't count. Just the whim of the people on the day.

Anyway, onwards and upwards

 

[dazzer6666]

No point rinsing him every day. The little yorkshireman rinsed Blair every day. And lost. You have to rinse on election mind-making up days. It is all a long way off. Strategy is no doubt being considered.

If we beat Palarse on Monday we are Top Of The League. Will we win it in the end? And in politics, points on the board don't count. Just the whim of the people on the day.

Anyway, onwards and upwards

….but he’s not rinsing him at all.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

….but he’s not rinsing him at all.

I don't care. All I can think about at the moment is BHA rinsing Palarse on Monday

 

[dazzer6666]

I don't care. All I can think about at the moment is BHA rinsing Palarse on Monday

I will have my ticket under my pillow tonight….can’t take any chances

 

[carlzeiss]

Maybe a change is coming. According to a recent poll, under 35s are fed up with the status quo.

67 per cent say they would like to live in a socialist economic system.

75 per cent agree with the assertion that climate change is a specifically capitalist problem.

78 per cent blame capitalism for Britain’s housing crisis.

72 per cent support the (re-)nationalisation of various industries such as energy, water and the railways.

72 per cent believe that private sector involvement would put the NHS at risk.

75 per cent agree with the statement that ‘socialism is a good idea, but it has failed in the past because it has been badly done’.

https://iea.org.uk/media/67-per-cent-of-young-brits-want-a-socialist-economic-system-finds-new-poll/

What they need is a "Holiday in Cambodia , kissing ass or crack "

 

[zefarelly]

I’m avoiding My home town like the plague this week, the place is going to overrun with terrorist sympathising anti semites.

Spoken like a professional twunt

FWLIW I have little time for the labour party either, almost as toxic as the tories, as a party in some ways. but being an ignorant idiot only makes things worse. Sadly that's 1/3 of the population that got us into this mess. . . .

 

[peterward]

….but he’s not rinsing him at all.

I dont think there's much love for Starmer in the grassroots, he may have been the choice of the PLP, but a resounding defeat in a local or a few by elections and they'll be hounding him out imho.

Starmer as Labour Leader for the momentum activists is probably like Pardew as albion manager would be for us.

You don't like him, you think he's a bit crap, he's from the other side and youre itching for one of your own.

If he continues to poll this poorly, shirley they'll bin him off

 

[dazzer6666]

I dont think there's much love for Starmer in the grassroots, he may have been the choice of the PLP, but a resounding defeat in a local or a few by elections and they'll be hounding him out imho.

Starmer as Labour Leader for the momentum activists is probably like Pardew as albion manager would be for us.

You don't like him, you think he's a bit crap, he's from the other side and youre itching for one of your own.

If he continues to poll this poorly, shirley they'll bin him off

Probably right…….any government needs an effective opposition to keep them honest……unfortunately we currently have a shit government and an equally shit opposition. So frustrating.

 

[ferring seagull]

Yeah, I cancelled my Labour membership a couple of years ago. Don't think I would vote for them now. I don't know what they stand for anymore. I don't think they even know.

The UK needs a radical new left wing party that can appeal the masses, as Labour is now lifeless. Can't see it happening though, the Tory propaganda machine is infallable.

Perhaps the UK needs a new centrist party to counter left and right wing extremist thinking !

 

[Live by the sea]

A radical left wing party has never appealed to the masses in the UK and never will.

Agree - radical left appeals to a few soppy students and the workshy , and a few communists , that’s about it .

 

[BN41Albion]

Nah.
Brighton has gone rapidly down hill in the last 20 years. Full of ripe students.
Fantastic growing up there, would hate to live there now. I’ve moved on, the town has become a third world shit pit. Residents don’t give a flying **** about the town now.
Not for me Clive.

The classic 'when I was growing up this bustling vibrant diverse city was a great place to be but now I'm an old miserable ******* it's a shit hole full of student wankers'

 

[Wardy's twin]

With the greatest respect to you and your politcal views ( i like your threads/posts) and the very leftist Albion fanbase.... That is the problem that the "radical left wing" don't seem to understand.

Momentum type politics may be in vogue in the north laines or Islington, you may read publications or frequent echo chambers of like minds, but it will simply never carry the country.

So the real question is do you want to be a tribalist, idealist, protest party or do you actually want to govern, because you wont as a corbynist radical left party.

I don't like Blair, as a person, though I did vote for him twice and I cant say im at all enamoured with Starmer who is a bland wet lettuce, but I do believe that we need a credible Labour opposition that champions social juctice with proper fiscal competence, that ends this tiresome tribal bollocks, class warfare and "kill the tories" gesture politics.

That Labour party, the one that can actually get into power, appeal to a broad cross section of the electorate outside of radical left student halls and places like Brighton, wont come from the "radical left", it will only come from the centre left imho.

I reckon the Tories will be laughing their heads off that Starmer has failed to get back to the electoral college system, because a new labour type cente left party is an electable threat, it could easily take back the red wall whereas a radical left momentum "one person one vote" candidate isnt getting anywhere near number 10.... Plus you can bet your bottom dollar they will now hammer Starmer that he cant even pursuade his own party of his ideas and failed in his one big idea, so why should the country trust him etc etc.

Johnson is pretty awful, though he's not a real Tory, he's more a lib dem/populist.... but what is the credible alternative that can carry the country? there isnt one.

I wish the radical left would grasp the nettle and be a little more open to real politik, as the left were in Blairs day, that its better to be in power with your Prescott type from the left of the party on the front benches and implement a fair amount of what you believe in, rather than carrying cardboard cut outs with slogans scrawled as you start the next 5 years in the wilderness.

Very well put.

To me the issue starts with saying 'the working class' WTF is the working class? There are plenty of very well paid blue collar jobs and lots of low paid white collar. We need a party which is centre left, left enough to tackle the extremes of wealth , centre enough to attract those people who feel threatened by the extremes of the left but believe in a fair society with well funded education, health and social care.