[Politics] Labour annual conference

[Razzoo]

Rosie Duffield MP won't be.

Embroiled in the feminist v transgender warfare, she fears for her personal safety and so she's giving this conference a miss.

She sits on the 'J.K.Rowling' feminist side of the fence.

A sad example of how believing in biological facts are controversial in some circles.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

people said similar when Blair was absolutely destroying the Tories on a consistent basis and I imagine it's been said of Labour before

10m voted Labour at the last election with a very divisive leader who the right wing media took an absolute machete to, and in an election focused on Brexit where they had a woefully wishy washy Brexit policy

Labour are the main party in almost every major city in the UK, comfortably won the London and Greater Manchester mayoral elections and picked up tonnes of councilors in traditionally hardcore Tory areas

They are the main party for young people (e.g the ones who aren't going to be dead in 20 years)

I'm not really a Labour voter, in fact out of the 5 G.E's I've voted in, I've only voted Labour once and that was to help get rid of a diabolical Tory MP, and haven't voted for them in an Council elections, but to say they're a "complete irrelevancy" is just stupid tbh.

It doesn’t help the media don’t report Prime Minister’s questions where Starmer wipes the floor with Johnson & co. BBC news are a government mouthpiece with Tory members of the board, so the general public don’t actually read about the opposition.
There is a very good reason the Tories are trying to shoehorn Paul Dacre into the position of head of Ofcom. It’s very Orwellian.

 

[beorhthelm]

Labour are finished, a complete irrelevancy.

i think the left, union led side of Labour is drifting to irrelevancy. the old battles of labour movement have largely been won. so the left have to invent new struggle or vear further left, they want more statism and telling people how to do things. most problems today are not solved by more government. we need sensible practical solutions and framework to let people deliver.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Are Labour still going? They must be the poorest opposition ever.

Get you! x

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Labour are finished, a complete irrelevancy.

That's not very kool, Keith

 

[Bakero]

But when they are younger and more idealistic they don’t vote (in sufficient numbers) and when they are older with families and financial commitments and responsibilities they tend to vote far more conservatively, with a small c.

Financial commitments like mortgages? I think I spot a flaw in your thinking.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

i think the left, union led side of Labour is drifting to irrelevancy. the old battles of labour movement have largely been won. so the left have to invent new struggle or vear further left, they want more statism and telling people how to do things. most problems today are not solved by more government. we need sensible practical solutions and framework to let people deliver.

Yep. I am still a member of the UCU but only because I haven't got around to stopping my subs. There are tens of thousands of academics where I work, all of whom are entitled to join the union. The only motion we have passed recently is to boycott Israel and all who sail in her. I sppke against and voted against. Motion carried by......24 votes to 8.

Nobody cares about the union apart from a tiny minoroty of activists. They ought to be focusing on the devaluation of the pension scheme for current staff but instead they campaign against Israel, and agitate about terms and conditions for people who have yet to be employed (what?). Our local rep is an SWP member. These people have nothing to do with labour and are indeed an irrelevance.

 

[beorhthelm]

this has been untested with the current crop of young people who are quite different to previous generations to be honest. I think their parents generation will be in for a bit of a shock at how things shift when that generation are in charge

the parents were punks, new romantics, clubbers. what is this generation going to do to shock them?

 

[wellquickwoody]

Maybe a change is coming. According to a recent poll, under 35s are fed up with the status quo.

67 per cent say they would like to live in a socialist economic system.

75 per cent agree with the assertion that climate change is a specifically capitalist problem.

78 per cent blame capitalism for Britain’s housing crisis.

72 per cent support the (re-)nationalisation of various industries such as energy, water and the railways.

72 per cent believe that private sector involvement would put the NHS at risk.

75 per cent agree with the statement that ‘socialism is a good idea, but it has failed in the past because it has been badly done’.

https://iea.org.uk/media/67-per-cent-of-young-brits-want-a-socialist-economic-system-finds-new-poll/

Under 35s get older, and many begin to vote Tory.

 

[peterward]

Yeah, I cancelled my Labour membership a couple of years ago. Don't think I would vote for them now. I don't know what they stand for anymore. I don't think they even know.

The UK needs a radical new left wing party that can appeal the masses, as Labour is now lifeless. Can't see it happening though, the Tory propaganda machine is infallable.

With the greatest respect to you and your politcal views ( i like your threads/posts) and the very leftist Albion fanbase.... That is the problem that the "radical left wing" don't seem to understand.

Momentum type politics may be in vogue in the north laines or Islington, you may read publications or frequent echo chambers of like minds, but it will simply never carry the country.

So the real question is do you want to be a tribalist, idealist, protest party or do you actually want to govern, because you wont as a corbynist radical left party.

I don't like Blair, as a person, though I did vote for him twice and I cant say im at all enamoured with Starmer who is a bland wet lettuce, but I do believe that we need a credible Labour opposition that champions social juctice with proper fiscal competence, that ends this tiresome tribal bollocks, class warfare and "kill the tories" gesture politics.

That Labour party, the one that can actually get into power, appeal to a broad cross section of the electorate outside of radical left student halls and places like Brighton, wont come from the "radical left", it will only come from the centre left imho.

I reckon the Tories will be laughing their heads off that Starmer has failed to get back to the electoral college system, because a new labour type cente left party is an electable threat, it could easily take back the red wall whereas a radical left momentum "one person one vote" candidate isnt getting anywhere near number 10.... Plus you can bet your bottom dollar they will now hammer Starmer that he cant even pursuade his own party of his ideas and failed in his one big idea, so why should the country trust him etc etc.

Johnson is pretty awful, though he's not a real Tory, he's more a lib dem/populist.... but what is the credible alternative that can carry the country? there isnt one.

I wish the radical left would grasp the nettle and be a little more open to real politik, as the left were in Blairs day, that its better to be in power with your Prescott type from the left of the party on the front benches and implement a fair amount of what you believe in, rather than carrying cardboard cut outs with slogans scrawled as you start the next 5 years in the wilderness.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Not a good start to the conference for Starmer...

BBC News - Labour conference: Sir Keir Starmer forced to drop leadership rule change
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58689884

... I thought he was smart enough to know you only announce you want to change something or pick a fight with a wing of your party if you are pretty sure you are going to win.

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[Eeyore]

But when they are younger and more idealistic they don’t vote (in sufficient numbers) and when they are older with families and financial commitments and responsibilities they tend to vote far more conservatively, with a small c.

The irony is that our system of economics is underpinned by a soft form of socialism and has been for decades.

Back in the 80s when the right wing press made it a dirty word we were still using at a model and when it failed, such as NHS, public services etc, people were up in arms. Even paper like The Daily Mail rally when the care system struggles and services are cut. In other words they they fight for what they set their faces against.

You get people on NSC, who have benefited, vilifying socialist ideals. You also get the same rallying against free movement who would be up in arms about the NHS inability to provide. I remember having this discussion with a Tory member who is a friend of mine. He conceded it was the case.

I've never understood this world, and it's too late for me to start trying.

 

[Baker lite]

Not a good start to the conference for Starmer...

BBC News - Labour conference: Sir Keir Starmer forced to drop leadership rule change
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58689884

... I thought he was smart enough to know you only announce you want to change something or pick a fight with a wing of your party if you are pretty sure you are going to win.

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Sir Kneel and his merry band of anti semites should be at least 10 points clear, in the last month the Torys have broken two manifesto promises, they’ve raised NI and canned the triple lock on pensions. And still Captain hindsight can’t lay a glove on Johnson.


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[stewart12]

the parents were punks, new romantics, clubbers. what is this generation going to do to shock them?

There is a colossal divide in generational thinking at the moment, probably the biggest divide in this country. Young people feel very disenfranchised as they don't really see the issues that they face reflected in politics

I think you'll start to see fluid sexuality and gender much more normalised in politics and popular culture. For example there's absolutely no way a trans politician could become Prime Minister in this era (or probably even a high ranking cabinet member), how many gay or lesbian high profile politicians have there even been? But in 20-30 years this simply won't be seen as an issue, in the same way that now there are many politicians from ethnic minorities which wouldn't have been common place previously. A lot of young people aren't interested in labelling their sexuality at all....they might fancy a girl for a bit, then fancy a guy for a bit

Another one I'm hoping will change is elitism which is rife in the UK. I'm kinda hoping that the fact that most millenials are skint will result in lower uptake in private schooling. For example I know quite a few people who went to fairly prestigious private schools who could never dream of sending their kids to one as it's simply out of their budget and that's despite them being the wealthiest people I know of my age group- it's simply not realistic for them.

I'm probably waffling and I'm certainly no expert, just generally quite observant and I do think there's a colossal disconnect between generations now which could lead to a big political shift in the future

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Government only works well if there's a decent opposition.

At the moment the whole lot are a shitstorm

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I sort of feel sorry for Smarmer, it's like that rabbit you catch in your headlights, you know he is going to run towards danger and pay the price.

He needs to hop off into the woods and do what bunnies do best.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I’m avoiding My home town like the plague this week, the place is going to overrun with terrorist sympathising anti semites.

Quite easy when you don’t live there.

 

[Baker lite]

Quite easy when you don’t live there.

Only usually travel into my hometown on match days now, it’s turned into a nasty,third world fly hole, full of trots, greens and jugglers that smell of B O.
Not for me Clive.


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[rogersix]

I’m avoiding My home town like the plague this week, the place is going to overrun with terrorist sympathising anti semites.

are you sure it's not your home town avoiding you?

 

[maltaseagull]

Maybe a change is coming. According to a recent poll, under 35s are fed up with the status quo.

67 per cent say they would like to live in a socialist economic system.

75 per cent agree with the assertion that climate change is a specifically capitalist problem.

78 per cent blame capitalism for Britain’s housing crisis.

72 per cent support the (re-)nationalisation of various industries such as energy, water and the railways.

72 per cent believe that private sector involvement would put the NHS at risk.

75 per cent agree with the statement that ‘socialism is a good idea, but it has failed in the past because it has been badly done’.

https://iea.org.uk/media/67-per-cent-of-young-brits-want-a-socialist-economic-system-finds-new-poll/

You didn't quote how many young brits didn't bother to vote in the last election or the referendum on Brexit.