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Kompany's red card.
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mikeyjh
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I'll see that and raise you a "He raised his hands so by the letter of the law, he's got to go".....
Marshy
Well-known member
Complain about the rules, not the ref, it was a red by the laws of the game in my book.
TWOCHOICEStom
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Seeing it in realtime, I think I'd have given a red.
I didn't watch the game yesterday, but saw it on ssn. They played it normal speed from the main camera and I thought it looked like he jumped in studs showing. Then hey showed some replays and different angles showing his studs down and the the jump looked less of a lunge more of a falling back. So, while I think maybe the red is harsh, it was an understandable mistake from the ref.
SeagullSongs
And it's all gone quiet..
I think the offender should be sent to the touchline at the halfway line. If a goal results from the free-kick/penalty then the player is allowed back on as a goal-scoring opportunity has not been denied. If the penalty is missed (but not saved) then the offender is shown a red card.
Might seem a bit weird, but to me it sounds more fair than the current rule. Instead of being down to 10 men AND a goal down, you get one or the other, or possibly neither if the keeper saves the penalty (after all, he could've saved the original 'goal-scoring opportunity' anyway).
Tricky Dicky
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Roughly what was said during the game yesterday (was it Alan Smith ??), and I have no problem with it, I just thought a yellow and a pen would be easier, unless it was really bad to warrant a straight red.
You're winning, you have a chance to increase the lead by one goal, or deflate your opponents by taking them down to 10 men, do you score the penalty, or miss it so the red card is shown?
It's the opening moments of the game - wanna play against 10 men for 85 minutes, or try to defend a lead for 85 minutes?
You're playing promotion/championship/relegation rivals, weaken them for this and upcoming games or extend your lead?
The whole "only send them off if they don't score from the penalty" idea won't work, not in the football that currently defends winning at all costs over fair play and sportsmanship.
The current situation is:
To the victim: Here's a clear shot at goal to replace the one you were unfairly denied due to the law breaking of the opposition
To the offender: Here is a red card as punishment for breaking the law
To the team: The penalty is not punishment for you, it is giving your opposition what they would have had anyway, an in some cases improves your chances of stopping a goal.
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For what it's worth (and I know some people will dismiss it because it's him) Graham Poll's view:
Read more: Vincent Kompany red card was deserved - Graham Poll | Mail Online
Vincent Kompany insists he will continue to tackle the way he did yesterday and after the game tweeted: ‘No grudges against the referee, I understand the difficulty of the job. About the tackle: If the ball is overrun by the opponent and a 50/50 challenge occurs, collision is inevitable.
‘Ultimately, I’m a defender: I will never pull out of a challenge, as much as I will never intend to injure a player.’
While his honesty is commendable and sentiments laudable, Kompany must realise that he will HAVE to change or face red cards for the rest of his career. He is an excellent defender and seems to be a nice guy – but those things are not considered by referees, nor should they be.
Referees are instructed that when a player goes into a challenge with both feet off the ground he is not in control of his actions and must be dismissed as he is endangering the safety of an opponent.
Whether we agree with this interpretation or not we have to accept it, rather like the fact that until a player plays the ball he is not interfering with play when considering offside. Players and managers have to accept those changes and adapt – and it can be done.
I remember refereeing Steven Gerrard when he frequently committed a far more obvious straight legged two footed tackle with all 12 studs showing.
He was sent off and even suspended using video evidence when I missed one such tackle on Gary Naysmith in a Merseyside derby and we spoke about the need to change. Gerrard recognised that the law had changed and adapted his tackling style without losing any impact he had in the game and I just hope that Kompany will do the same.
There can still be tackles in football and very robust ones at that but players must be in control of their movements and once both feet leave the ground they are not.
‘Ultimately, I’m a defender: I will never pull out of a challenge, as much as I will never intend to injure a player.’
While his honesty is commendable and sentiments laudable, Kompany must realise that he will HAVE to change or face red cards for the rest of his career. He is an excellent defender and seems to be a nice guy – but those things are not considered by referees, nor should they be.
Referees are instructed that when a player goes into a challenge with both feet off the ground he is not in control of his actions and must be dismissed as he is endangering the safety of an opponent.
Whether we agree with this interpretation or not we have to accept it, rather like the fact that until a player plays the ball he is not interfering with play when considering offside. Players and managers have to accept those changes and adapt – and it can be done.
I remember refereeing Steven Gerrard when he frequently committed a far more obvious straight legged two footed tackle with all 12 studs showing.
He was sent off and even suspended using video evidence when I missed one such tackle on Gary Naysmith in a Merseyside derby and we spoke about the need to change. Gerrard recognised that the law had changed and adapted his tackling style without losing any impact he had in the game and I just hope that Kompany will do the same.
There can still be tackles in football and very robust ones at that but players must be in control of their movements and once both feet leave the ground they are not.
Read more: Vincent Kompany red card was deserved - Graham Poll | Mail Online
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
Shows what he knows.
danish seagull
Active member
Good that he got off the hook, was an excellent tackle!
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
nwgull
Well-known member
Do I win stuff for being right at post #2?
Meade's Ball
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Perhaps the FA reward a player for a little decency to him and a seeming intelligence. To refuse to criticise the referee, claiming wholeheartedly and charitably that it's an understandable mistake probably helped delete his reprimand. Being a dunce, such as Cole, must make the committee all the more sure that the player wasn't in control of themselves and therefore dangerous to others. Kompany seems a nice person and a relatively deep and noble thinker.
Glad it got overturned.
Glad it got overturned.
Djmiles
Barndoor Holroyd
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
I agree. I don't think it was a red card - but I also don't think it should have been overturned. There was enough doubt for them to back their man.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
The FA can rescind red cards by reviewing tackles time after time.
Can't review and retrospectively punish those diving though. Very odd.
Can't review and retrospectively punish those diving though. Very odd.