Kilroy taken off air for slagging off Arabs

[Uncle Spielberg]

Spot on.

The general hatred of American and all things American on this board really pisses me off. That why I can't be arsed to get invloved in a debate about the war.

Its ok to slag off the " Yanks " and they are referred to on here but mention anything against the " arabs " and the pc studenty, liberals on here are up in arms.

The bottom line is the USA regime is a hell of a lot more civilised than most of the Arab regimes.

Don't argue with me as I can't be arsed to defend my position yet again.

 

[DJ Leon]

If RKS meant (as he claims) 'Arab states' and not just 'Arabs' then I agree with most things he said. Obviously he will still be crucified for his comments but then such is the world today.

If anyone disagrees that Arab states continue to abuse human rights (especially those of women) and spread hatred then quite simply you are wrong. Go give Amnesty International a call and ask for some facts. Whilst you're there ask them about America, they have some intersting things to say about them too.

 

[borat]

I'm half arabic, half english so of course the article has pissed me off a little ( but not as much as the comments of that ignorant little prick Watford O). I believe of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion but when that opinion is innaccurate, ill-informed and malicious its a different story.

 

[Sorrel]

Kilroy is obviously racist with the article in the way it was printed. However, I'd say his problem is with Islamic culture, not Arabs.

I don't think there's much wrong with criticising Islamic values; but not all Arabs are Muslims, and it's wrong to equate one with the other (or to assume that all Muslims are fanatics).

 

[US Seagull]

I'm certainly not going to defend RKS because he is mostly wrong (not sure about the bit about women, some truth there) but I find it ironic that so many people are making a fuss about him generalising about Arabs when people generalise about "the Americans" on here all the time (same people?) and no-one says anything.

Perhaps those of you bigots that rant on and on about "the Americans" in such general and ignorant terms will reflect on how similar your attitude is to that of Kilroy Silk.

Absolutely agree. I usually don't even bother to respond to the ignorant "bloody Americans" comments 'cos it ain't worth it.

 

[alan partridge]

So it's perfectly OK for Arabs and other middle eastern states and their people to rubbish the West and its people but it's not OK they other way round............ Makes me sick.

examples of this then please?


not that i don't believe they exist. i know they do. however, upon leaving my childhood years i became less concerned with arguments such as 'well he said it so why can't i?'. either you believe that the culture from which you sprung forth is above all that crap, and dismiss it as intolerant racist rubbish. or, you decide, they do it, then so will i. therefore, you are exactly the same as the position you wish to criticise.

or ofcourse you can accuse anyone who dares point out this blatant hipocrisy as p.c. idiots


makes me sick

 

[bhaexpress]

examples of this then please?


not that i don't believe they exist. i know they do. however, upon leaving my childhood years i became less concerned with arguments such as 'well he said it so why can't i?'. either you believe that the culture from which you sprung forth is above all that crap, and dismiss it as intolerant racist rubbish. or, you decide, they do it, then so will i. therefore, you are exactly the same as the position you wish to criticise.

or ofcourse you can accuse anyone who dares point out this blatant hipocrisy as p.c. idiots


makes me sick

When was the last time we declared a holy war (Fatwah) on the Arabs ? Middle ages I reckon.

 

[US Seagull]

and now they contribute f*** all.

Ahmed H. Zewail - 1999 Nobel prize in chemistry

 

[Juan Albion]

And the last Nobel Peace Prize was won by a female lawyer from Iran, was it not? Although I have a feeling that this bacause of her battle for women's rights in Iran...

 

[perth seagull]

I think there far too much slagging off of the USA on here and in general and they do contribute hugely to the world including aid to poor countries which is higher than the rest of the world combined and he has a beef about Arabs denegrating the USA and despising them but he has made his position untenable when he is a host of a programme that encourages views from a multi cultural spread of people.

Actually, the USA doesn't contribute that much aid. Japan is the number one foreign aid donor.

And on a per capita basis, the USA is very poor in this area.

 

[London Irish]

When was the last time we declared a holy war (Fatwah) on the Arabs ? Middle ages I reckon.

No.

The answer is March 20, 2003.

The real give-away is the amount of bombs we've been dropping on Arabs recently.

Anyone remember the last time an Arab army bombed Britain?

 

[Juan Albion]

No.

The answer is March 20, 2003.

The real give-away is the amount of bombs we've been dropping on Arabs recently.

Anyone remember the last time an Arab army bombed Britain?

Why would the Arabs bomb Britain? They own half of it, don't they?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Interesting debate and I find myself agreeing with bits and pieces from lots of posts, even Watford O's.

Firstly if RKS stated that all Arabs are like this then he is indeed a thick misguided racist. But he has a huge point particularly with regard to the governments of many states in the Middle East and particularly with Muslim fundamentalists (who strech to South East and North Asia too, not just the Middle East).

I have always found it ironic that the same people who defend a lot of what goes on in the Middle East would be the first ones out on the streets if women in the UK were denied the vote or had bits of them chopped off for adulterly.

But to say that all Arabs or even most of them contribute nothing and are all potential suicide bombers is ridiculous in the extreme. Most are just like you and I, ordinary people trying to make a living day by day with a belief in their culture and values. They'd no more bomb a plane than throw themselves off a 30 storey building.

Many of those seen "celebrating" 9/11 simply did so out of fear as their already miserable lives are made worse by being under the complete control of mullahs and militias.

If RKS had simply spoken out against terror, fundamentalism and oppression he should have been appluaded. He just went too far with a gross overgeneralisation.

 

[Juan Albion]

As someone else has mentioned, he now says that the article has been reproduced out of context and that originally it said "Arab States" not "Arabs." I suspect he is right about that as it would be easy enough to check in a back copy.

 

[London Irish]

I have always found it ironic that the same people who defend a lot of what goes on in the Middle East would be the first ones out on the streets if women in the UK were denied the vote or had bits of them chopped off for adulterly.

Example please, if you are able.

The western left (I think that's who you're referring to) defends the right of Arabs not to be bombed by the US and British armies, it does not defend the Arab dictatorships or their oppressive laws.

The biggest supporter of the Arab dictatorships is the US government. I wonder if that orange shit Kilroy mentioned that in his article.

Bush withheld evidence from the congressional inquiry into 9-11 precisely because there was compromising stuff on the links between the hijackers and the Saudi Arabian royals that are that country's "government". Watch out for the forthcoming Michael Moore movie which will deal with this at length.

 

[bhaexpress]

I was reading Michael Moore's book 'Stupid White Men' where, amongst other things, it mentions thta an oil company associated with George W. Bush had a deal with the Mudja Hadeen so that the company could build an oil pipeline across Afganistan.

Also, back in the 80s when Iran was the bad guy Reagan was big buddies with Hussein.

Now that's more than a little ironic.

 

[Guinness Boy]

LI - George Galloway would be a classic example.

I've read "Stupid White Men" and seen both "Roger and Me" and "Bowling for Columbine". I found all three intersting though the self-loathing, middle class white guilt and political correctness in Stupid White Men is un-stomachable.

What his latest film won't state is that since the capture of Saddam Hussain a lot of ordinary Iraqis finally feel safer, that the Libyans (a self confessed terrorist state) have started to disarm, admit responsibilities and compensate victims and even just this week the North Koreans have softened their position and allowed an unofficial US delegation to inspect their weapons.

What it probably will contain, and quite rightly, is that there is also a huge amount of hypocrisy in the American right and that part of the war reasoning has nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with Halliburton's balance sheet and political expediancy.

I just don't see the Iraq war in black and white. A dangerous dictator has gone, others are starting to soften. Whether that's worth even one civilian life is another question entirely.

 

[alan partridge]

yeah stupid white men is a bit ropey really. i was however really impressed with 'bowling for columbine', which i thought was excellent. my only big complaint with that was how a clip of the hilsborough disaster found its way into the montage of hooligan films. i did a search on google about it and apparently the same thing happened with some documentary connected to gladiator the film. they'd requested some hooligan footage off another company and that was unfortuanately in there with other stuff

bit off topic there! sorry

 

[bhaexpress]

Not at all AP, the amusing thing about 'Stupid White Men' is that it is extreemly anti Dubya. I was reading while I was held in detention in Houston prior to being deported. It really pissed off some of the INS wankers much to my amusement !

 

[DTES]

A few points here:

Gareth Glover:

Its ok to slag off the " Yanks " and they are referred to on here but mention anything against the " arabs " and the pc studenty, liberals on here are up in arms.

You're completely missing the point. Whatever someone's views on the Iraq War, any anti-American postings were aimed at Bush & the other American leaders. If Kilroy had attcked the Arab leaders, it would then be OK to compare the two. But he didn't, he attacked the Arab people, which is as out of order as it would be to attack all American people.


Guinness Boy:

What his latest film won't state is that since the capture of Saddam Hussain a lot of ordinary Iraqis finally feel safer

...and a lot of Iraqis have lost families and loved ones, whether it be in the war itself, or the spate of bombings that have followed (for example the disgraceful attack on the Red Cross centre). Would you improve the quality of your life if it meant your loved ones being killed in the process? Tricky one.

Juan Albion

As someone else has mentioned, he now says that the article has been reproduced out of context and that originally it said "Arab States" not "Arabs." I suspect he is right about that as it would be easy enough to check in a back copy.

As I said above, if this is true, then I'll change my tune. But that isn't what appeared in the article, so we'll have to see.