[Misc] Kemi Badenoch confirmed as new Tory leader

[Guinness Boy]

I’ve said it before… we were all looking for a bit more than, “better than Johnson and Truss” weren’t we Yet it’s always your first port of call for your now infamous Whataboutery


You could be right about Starmer not breaking the rules but those are hardly the problems of Government are they ? About as relevant as £32k worth of clothes, simple misdirection

The budget to crash the economy? Give it time I think this one is a contender and Rachel Reeves has made no bones about it with her statement:

Reeves said, “Yes, businesses will now have to make a choice, whether they will absorb that through efficiency and productivity gains, whether it will be through lower profits or perhaps through lower wage growth."

Watch this space.


But as much as you like to mock people who disagree with you in your usual condescending manner, I simply feel that the political financial and social problems of this day and age are extremely difficult for any Government to deal with and I don’t expect any success on the big subjects, do you?

Where will the NHS be in 10 years time after two terms of Labour? The obvious answer is it couldn’t be worse, right?

Can you explain how countering your argument about a worse government ever with a worse example is whataboutery? And your post about Labour on a Badenoch thread isn’t?

 

[Weststander]

She'll be an IDS/Hague figure in British history, I'll eat my (chocolate) hat is KB ever leads a UK government.

I've haven't looked into her politics too much, but in the back of my mind there's some nasty stuff, I know she was disgusting about autism in early October. She's irrelevant in the big picture (power).

So consigning her to history, I now add this thread to the over 2k on ignore.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

But we have no contemporaneous control group so all comparisons (and assertions, including mine) are speculative.

At the end of the day, it is what it is.

Am I still allowed to insist that, if any single decision, pass or shot in any given game had gone differently, we would DEFINITELY have won and we'd be top of the league right now?

 

[Rdodge30]

Can you explain how countering your argument about a worse government ever with a worse example is whataboutery? And your post about Labour on a Badenoch thread isn’t?

I lost track of threads - I think I was reading about how bad it will be with Kemi and just zoned onto the fact that it would be worse with her in 5 years or 10 years time …. But that regardless of whoever is in charge I don’t think there will be a good government- I think the modern issues faced are quite frankly unfathomable

Your whataboutery is not just this post. It’s virtually every post on every political thread. Your not the only one but it’s constantly Boris and Truss , Boris and Truss


I think that even if this Government could solve the issues in front of it … the problems arising over the next 5 to 10 years will still prove to be insurmountable

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Yep, definitely on the slide to the third world.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I lost track of threads - I think I was reading about how bad it will be with Kemi and just zoned onto the fact that it would be worse with her in 5 years or 10 years time …. But that regardless of whoever is in charge I don’t think there will be a good government- I think the modern issues faced are quite frankly unfathomable

Your whataboutery is not just this post. It’s virtually every post on every political thread. Your not the only one but it’s constantly Boris and Truss , Boris and Truss


I think that even if this Government could solve the issues in front of it … the problems arising over the next 5 to 10 years will still prove to be insurmountable

Boris and Truss are the cause of the problems. That’s why it’s relevant. Labour have had four months.

 

[jcdenton08]

Boris and Truss are the cause of the problems. That’s why it’s relevant. Labour have had four months.

Conservative Party generally, top to bottom. It’s their membership which allowed Boris, Truss, Quasi-Chancellor et al in. It’s the party who gave a choice between Badenoch or Jenrick.

They’re like an old acquaintance going down a bad path and making one terrible decision after another, because they want to impress their scumbag mates (Reform).

Half expecting a leading Tory MP to be found giving a swirly to Ed Davie in the boys changing room.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

You have nicely illustrated the gap between perception and reality.

Millions imagine they are worse off after 14 years of Tory 'rule', but for a large number this will be quite nuanced. Stuff like not owning the latest iPhone or the most up to date flat screen TV. Shares not worth what they used to be. Even things like having to wait years for an autism referral. f*** me, 14 years ago there was no such thing as autism.

There have been millions who are genuinely worse off now than they were 14 years ago, but they are a minority. I am a public sector worker and although I am not as well off as I had hoped, I am still better off than I was 14 years ago.

Let's not lose sight of what is genuine bad governance (Johnson and Truss) in our rush to declare that every day in every way everything is getting shitter and shitter, cos it ain't. Perspective and all that.

Anyway Kemmy just said that 'now is the time to tell the truth' so even the Tories are on the road to a bright new tomorrow!

I’d like to know what’s improved?

The country is a shadow of what it was 14 years ago and it’s divided generationally between the Baby Boomers and everyone else. The lack of trickle down wealth in the past 14 years, the rise in house prices and the stagnation of salaries, alongside the absolute gutting of all of the public sector has left this country in a dire situation.

Re Kemy, it really does feel like a win for Farage, which frightens me quite frankly. I do wonder who traditional Conservatives are voting for now. Or whether those who were previously seen as Conservative have simply given way to the extreme right.

 

[Bakero]

She'll be an IDS/Hague figure in British history, I'll eat my (chocolate) hat is KB ever leads a UK government.

I've haven't looked into her politics too much, but in the back of my mind there's some nasty stuff, I know she was disgusting about autism in early October. She's irrelevant in the big picture (power).

So consigning her to history, I now add this thread to the over 2k on ignore.

It was always going to take a candidate that was equal parts bad and Enoch to win the leadership contest.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I’d like to know what’s improved?

The country is a shadow of what it was 14 years ago and it’s divided generationally between the Baby Boomers and everyone else. The lack of trickle down wealth in the past 14 years, the rise in house prices and the stagnation of salaries, alongside the absolute gutting of all of the public sector has left this country in a dire situation.

Re Kemy, it really does feel like a win for Farage, which frightens me quite frankly. I do wonder who traditional Conservatives are voting for now. Or whether those who were previously seen as Conservative have simply given way to the extreme right.

The cost and quality of tech.

But you're right. Perhaps I'm in a minority of 'doing betters'.

And I'd be doing better still if we had stayed in the EU and not had 14 years of mad tory wankpuffinry.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Am I still allowed to insist that, if any single decision, pass or shot in any given game had gone differently, we would DEFINITELY have won and we'd be top of the league right now?

Yes.

 

[ManOfSussex]

This line, no pun intended, caught my eye in a Sunday Times article about her today.

She was surprised to see other teenagers at her London sixth-form college swearing and even more perturbed by the drug-taking she observed at the University of Sussex as a computer systems engineering student.

Kemi Badenoch, symbol of a changing Conservative party and country

A sometimes tough upbringing in Nigeria helped give the new Tory leader the outsider status and combative personality that has helped her to reach the top of politics

www.thetimes.com

 

[dsr-burnley]

I’d like to know what’s improved?

The country is a shadow of what it was 14 years ago and it’s divided generationally between the Baby Boomers and everyone else. The lack of trickle down wealth in the past 14 years, the rise in house prices and the stagnation of salaries, alongside the absolute gutting of all of the public sector has left this country in a dire situation.

Re Kemy, it really does feel like a win for Farage, which frightens me quite frankly. I do wonder who traditional Conservatives are voting for now. Or whether those who were previously seen as Conservative have simply given way to the extreme right.

There are 400,000 more civil servants now than there were before covid. How is that gutting?

 

[London Irish]

The reason why she comes across so odd is she takes all her politics from American conservatives, like those Turning Point weirdos - she’s all learnt knowledge rather than any hard experience. A walking gaffe

 

[tedebear]

I sense a tad of evil, like a Priti Patel or a Braverman...not sure why... maybe it was the comment Badenoch made on the Keunsberg show about how the glass ceiling that Reeves broke in becoming the first female chancellor was only "a very small ceiling"... a heck of a lot of women out there on both sides probably wrote her off there and then...

 

[WATFORD zero]

There are 400,000 more civil servants now than there were before covid. How is that gutting?

Given that at March 2024 there were 513,205 FTE working in the Civil Service, I'd love to know your Sauce for this 'statistic' because, at first glance, it would appear to be complete and utter bollocks and I'm sure that's not the case

All I can find is evidence of huge increases in the civil service as a result of Brexit, something you have constantly backed

 

[Easy 10]

Absolutely this. Where have all the good Tories gone? They’re a bunch of freaks now…

All credible ones have withered and died on the vine. The final nail was Johnson surrounding himself with a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears nodding dogs in his cabinet, so he could do whatever the f*** he wanted without challenge.

This, is the result.

 

[Bodian]

The first 5mins on Kuenssburg suggests to me that she won’t be leader of the Conservative Party by the next election.

Apparently Partygate wasn’t Boris Johnson’s fault, it was the lockdown rules imposed on him that were unfair.

Not just imposed on him - but a 'trap'. Those rules were just out to get him - pesky rules! Who on earth introduced them - they need sacking.

 

[Bodian]

Given that at March 2024 there were 513,205 FTE working in the Civil Service, I'd love to know your Sauce for this 'statistic' because, at first glance, it would appear to be complete and utter bollocks and I'm sure that's not the case

All I can find is evidence of huge increases in the civil service as a result of Brexit, something you have constantly backed

A graph illustrating just what you say.

@dsr-burnley seems to have a bit of a downer on public sector workers overall, so I'm guessing he means a post-covid increase in public sector workers?

 

[rogersix]

There are 400,000 more civil servants now than there were before covid. How is that gutting?

where do you get all your stuff from?