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[WATFORD zero]

Genuinely interested where you got this data from, given it claims “approximately 50% of farms are under 50 acres” ?? I find that hard to believe.

50 acres is about the size of one reasonably-sized / small field. In summers past I’ve worked the harvest for local farms and just one decent wheat or barley field is 80-90 acres, which takes maybe an afternoon to combine and bale. No way is a a viable, commercial farm 50 acres?

Bullshit figures

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ng-evidence-key-statistics-accessible-version

https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...-regional-profiles/agricultural-facts-summary

https://www.savills.co.uk/research_articles/229130/274017-0#:~:text=There are around 192,000 farms,farms being family-run units.

https://www.oxygenconservation.com/news-events/the-unsettling-truth-about-uk-land-use/

 

[Bry Nylon]

https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...-regional-profiles/agricultural-facts-summary

A quick glance at that link suggests that in your typed response above you are confusing acres and hectares.

 

[WATFORD zero]

A quick glance at that link suggests that in your typed response above you are confusing acres and hectares.

2.47 acres to a hectare. Do you really think I would have replied to @dsr-burnley's first post without checking

 

[Bry Nylon]

2.47 acres to a hectare. Do you really think I would have replied to @dsr-burnley's first post without checking

I’ve no idea what you’ve checked or not checked.

But you stated above that 50% of farms are 50 acres or less. If you really believe half of UK farms are about the same size as 25 football pitches then fair enough - but it feels like you don’t fully understand the topic.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I’ve no idea what you’ve checked or not checked.

But you stated above that 50% of farms are 50 acres or less. If you really believe half of UK farms are about the same size as 25 football pitches then fair enough - but it feels like you don’t fully understand the topic.

To be fair, I was a little surprised, but those are the facts

 

[highflyer]

I’ve no idea what you’ve checked or not checked.

But you stated above that 50% of farms are 50 acres or less. If you really believe half of UK farms are about the same size as 25 football pitches then fair enough - but it feels like you don’t fully understand the topic.

according to the internet an acre is 'roughly the same size as a football field'. So more like 50 football fields. Which doesn't seem way out to me.

 

[highflyer]

Edit - got my conversions wrong. As I had suspected. Ignore!

 

[Jim in the West]

Despite living in rural Somerset, surrounded by farmland, I actually didn't realise farmers previously had such amazingly generous inheritance tax concessions. I don't believe farming is remotely an easy occupation - but I'm not sure why farmers should be treated differently to others who build up wealth through hard work, etc. Perhaps I'm missing something?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Tax expert Dan Neidle explains it in five parts in this thread.

 

[Cheggers]

Despite living in rural Somerset, surrounded by farmland, I actually didn't realise farmers previously had such amazingly generous inheritance tax concessions. I don't believe farming is remotely an easy occupation - but I'm not sure why farmers should be treated differently to others who build up wealth through hard work, etc. Perhaps I'm missing something?

Get off my land!

 

[Bry Nylon]

To be fair, I was a little surprised, but those are the facts

Are they the facts though?

The data in the link you posted gives all figures as hectares - yet in your post you have detailed them as acres? Unless I’m missing something.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Are they the facts though?

The data in the link you posted gives all figures as hectares - yet in your post you have detailed them as acres? Unless I’m missing something.

I don't think Watford zero understands polite queries about numbers. Now, if you swore violently and abusively, you'd be talking his language.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Are they the facts though?

The data in the link you posted gives all figures as hectares - yet in your post you have detailed them as acres? Unless I’m missing something.

I think, having skimmed those, that the discrepancy might come from this link that you quoted (https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...-regional-profiles/agricultural-facts-summary) giving ~39% of farms being under 20ha (50acres) refering to England alone, while the other websites that state "about 50% of farms are under 50acres" refer to the whole UK.

Apparently in 2016, over half of the holdings in Scotland were under 10ha: https://www.gov.scot/publications/e...sh-agriculture-2016/pages/8/?origin=serp_auto

 

[Bry Nylon]

I think, having skimmed those, that the discrepancy might come from this link that you quoted (https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...-regional-profiles/agricultural-facts-summary) giving ~39% of farms being under 20ha (50acres) refering to England alone, while the other websites that state "about 50% of farms are under 50acres" refer to the whole UK.

Apparently in 2016, over half of the holdings in Scotland were under 10ha: https://www.gov.scot/publications/e...sh-agriculture-2016/pages/8/?origin=serp_auto

That would makes more sense. Loads of crofts in Scotland that are little more than a few head of sheep and subsistence crops.

A ‘farm’ of 50 acres or less is essentially a field.

 

[pb21]

That would makes more sense. Loads of crofts in Scotland that are little more than a few head of sheep and subsistence crops.

A ‘farm’ of 50 acres or less is essentially a field.

So 50% <50 acres in the UK is hard to believe, but 40% <50 acres in England makes sense?

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

That would makes more sense. Loads of crofts in Scotland that are little more than a few head of sheep and subsistence crops.

A ‘farm’ of 50 acres or less is essentially a field.

It is interesting (aside from whatever argument this originally stemmed from, I skipped that bit of the thread and don't really care), that even in England over 10% of farms are under 5ha, so less than 12.3acres.

 

[Bry Nylon]

So 50% <50 acres in the UK is hard to believe, but 40% <50 acres in England makes sense?

Well, no it doesn’t. I was just referring to the Scotland bit to be honest.

I’ve given up the will to live on the rest of it. It looks to me like a confusion has been drawn between acres and hectares but I’m even beginning to bore myself.

Just for context, you can combine 50 acres of wheat in less than a morning. That doesn’t sound like a farm to me.

 

[BBassic]

In other non acre / hectare related news, Priti Patel is back in (shadow) Government.

Can't say I've missed her smirking visage.

 

[dsr-burnley]

It is interesting (aside from whatever argument this originally stemmed from, I skipped that bit of the thread and don't really care), that even in England over 10% of farms are under 5ha, so less than 12.3acres.

They're basically hobby farms, not commercial farms.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

They're basically hobby farms, not commercial farms.

Fascinating.