Keeper HOOFING it

[withdeanwombat]

Anti-hoofing technology?!

A spiffing idea.There could be three extra refs at each end patrolling the perimeter of the penalty area,giving direct free kicks when a keeper lumps the ball rather than passing it out.

Yes.YES ! I can see this working.

 

[Arrid]

Hart continually hoofed it from the France game, it beggars belief Coaches didn't address it or even encouraged it.

 

[Gritt23]

Maybe Brendan Rodgers appointment at Liverpool might be a good thing for English football generally?

Just as long as Liverpool realise how poor they are this time round, and not sack him in December for being 10th, and appoint Bill Shanklys grandson in his place, to bring back the good old days immediately.

They are an above average Premiership side, but no more than that. I fear for Brendan that the expectations in Scouseland remain as inflated as they were when Roy got the job.

 

[Marc1901]

How many others were watching England last night and imploring Joe Hart to gently stroke the ball out to Ashley Cole, or Glen Johnson, who were often stood in acres of space while Joe was hoofing it down field.

The ball would invariably be won by the Italian defenders and another attack would build against us.

Thank you Gus, I honestly sit there and watch football very differently for the education you have provided us. Possession is a wonderful thing, and as we've shown, defenders can do it, because actually they are regularly in ACRES of space, and as soon as a midfielder comes to close them down, then that should be leaving space for a pass to Bridcutt, or Sparrow. If Brighton can do it, it seems strange to watch such highly paid STARS unable to do it, or perhaps not even thinking of trying it.

I agree and there are some supporters who don't like our way of playing

I was pulling my hair out last night watching it. The Italians were getting loads of time and space then when we picked it up it was back to them in a heartbeat.

 

[JCL666]

The four teams in the semi finals all play the passing game and don't continually hoof the ball.

As KooSHAK says,"The way Brighton play is the future of the football".

Although you could replace "future of the" with "how successful teams play".

 

[We're the Stripes]

I don't recall Hodgson's Fulham doing it when they finished 7th and got to the Europa league final either. So where the f*** did it come from? Very odd.

Honestly no idea. I watched Fulham quite a few times in the 08/09 season (when they finished 7th) - and some of the football they played was superb, played out from the back, some brilliant pass and move in midfield and attack.

But the players were clearly under instruction to not even attempt to pass it out last night, which was staggering, despite our obvious technical deficiencies. Couple of times I recall Terry playing a simple pass back to Hart and then plain out refusing to move into space to receive a return pass - instead he just turned away from the ball and waited for it to be launched over his head up-field. Embarrassing to watch.

 

[Acker79]

Some journos tweeted the stats. Joe Hart completed more passes than any other england player (45). The most frequent and/or successful passing partnership for England was Joe Hart to Andy Carroll.

 

[Gritt23]

As KooSHAK says,"The way Brighton play is the future of the football".

Although you could replace "future of the" with "how successful teams play".

I think Kojak was being polite. Truth is, it's not teh "future" it's how the game has been getting played for decades, just not in Britain.

 

[perseus]

Anti-hoofing technology?!

How to make the opposition play the long ball game | Tactics | FourFourTwo Performance


“To make the opposition play the long ball game you have to press high up the pitch. When their goalkeeper has the ball your front two need to drop a little deeper to encourage him to play the ball out.

Italy pressed in the second half (as expected). England and the Albion need players that are comfortable on the ball to counteract this. This is why one of our strikers has to come back into midfield. I was Hodgson's fault.

Italy dropped a little deeper and covered the space.

Note that Spain were having the same trouble but they played the ball to the man and held on to it. Their opponents were covering the space so Spain had trouble getting their attacks going.

Still it appeared that Italy had an extra man on the pitch. Gerrard wandered around like Harley.

 

[beorhthelm]

I don't recall Hodgson's Fulham doing it when they finished 7th and got to the Europa league final either. So where the f*** did it come from? Very odd.

thats the most frustrating thing isnt it?

 

[Gritt23]

Italy pressed in the second half (as expected). England and the Albion need players that are comfortable on the ball to counteract this. This is why one of our strikers has to come back into midfield. I was Hodgson's fault.

That wasn't the problem, we weren't doing it because we were pressed into no alternative. My poor, long-suffering wife, had to endure the game being paused on countless occasions while I pointed to the wide open space around Ashley Cole as the ball was passing over the heads of the defence. They were NOT pushing up on our full backs, who were regularly open and available when the ball was being launched.

Personally, I don't blame Roy necessarily, as it's such a dramatic change in style that I wouldn't have expected him to introduce it at this late stage. I don't even think we were doing it any more than usual. It just stuck out so clearly because I've got so used to something very different.

 

[magoo]

How many others were watching England last night and imploring Joe Hart to gently stroke the ball out to Ashley Cole, or Glen Johnson, who were often stood in acres of space while Joe was hoofing it down field.

The ball would invariably be won by the Italian defenders and another attack would build against us.

Thank you Gus, I honestly sit there and watch football very differently for the education you have provided us. Possession is a wonderful thing, and as we've shown, defenders can do it, because actually they are regularly in ACRES of space, and as soon as a midfielder comes to close them down, then that should be leaving space for a pass to Bridcutt, or Sparrow. If Brighton can do it, it seems strange to watch such highly paid STARS unable to do it, or perhaps not even thinking of trying it.

100% agree. Imagine how good England could play if they had Poyet?

 

[perseus]

That wasn't the problem, we weren't doing it because we were pressed into no alternative. My poor, long-suffering wife, had to endure the game being paused on countless occasions while I pointed to the wide open space around Ashley Cole as the ball was passing over the heads of the defence. They were NOT pushing up on our full backs, who were regularly open and available when the ball was being launched.

Personally, I don't blame Roy necessarily, as it's such a dramatic change in style that I wouldn't have expected him to introduce it at this late stage. I don't even think we were doing it any more than usual. It just stuck out so clearly because I've got so used to something very different.

A bit more sophisticated. Italy covered the space in midfield where the defenders would pass to. Still the Italy forwards were alert enough if our full backs dallied on the ball.

Chris Hughton Norwich City tactics | Tactics | FourFourTwo Performance


Italy pressed in groups. This meant they only had three at the back at times. There was always a chance then, especially with Walcott.

 

[Gordon Bennett]

Just as long as Liverpool realise how poor they are this time round, and not sack him in December for being 10th, and appoint Bill Shanklys grandson in his place, to bring back the good old days immediately.

They are an above average Premiership side, but no more than that. I fear for Brendan that the expectations in Scouseland remain as inflated as they were when Roy got the job.

Agreed. Managing the expectation will be important.

At least when Gus took over a worse than average League 1 side there was very little expectation but enough faith to stick with him after a 'slow' start to his managerial reign.

 

[JBizzleBeard]

Yea I said exactly the same every England game in this tournament. That's all thanks to our Gus that is
I love the Brighton/Gus way.

 

[leigull]

England should start playing some games with the current Spanish formation of 4-6, take out a striker that could be used a target for the long ball and it would force them to start moving the ball around better

 

[Seagull58]

We looked the most dangerous when we were playing it along the ground and running at their defenders, when Carroll came on and Hart started hoofing it up to him spelled the end of the game for us.

Apparently Hart to Carroll was the best pass completion for England during the game, though.

I bet Caroll to anybody was the worst though.

 

[mwrpoole]

The four teams in the semi finals all play the passing game and don't continually hoof the ball.

As KooSHAK says,"The way Brighton play is the future of the football".

Although you could replace "future of the" with "how successful teams play".

I think its more than the semi-finalists, in fact i'd say all the teams in Euro 2012 apart from England & ROI start from the back. I'd bet that Rooney & Welbeck have had more goal kicks hoofed up to them in the last week than they did all last season for Manu.

 

[leigull]

England's most succesful passing combination last night was Joe Hart - to Andy Carroll which was completed 18 times.

Italy's best passer was Pirlo:

England's was Cole:

 

[Aadam]

Yep, I was SCREAMING at Hart to stop hoofing it. He looked absolutely clueless with the ball at his feet so maybe not a good idea for him to try and stroke it about though. He had trouble just clearing from a back pass, so we'd have probably had a Brez moment from the Spurs friendly game if he'd tried.

If I were you I would lower your expectations for Kuszczak then. His distribution is not his greatest asset...