[Albion] Kaoru Mitoma [27/2/24 - possibly out for the rest of the season]

[London Irish]

That's why I hate a sadistic RDZ. He knew before the match that Mitoma had been suffering from back ailments. It was psychotic to force Mitoma to continue even after we were 2-0 up. He totally exploited Mitoma for his own interest again. I know I am too dramatic, but I would more or less recommend RDZ to have an examination for psychological disorders. I'd also like to think his lengthy absence may well be the decision by the club to protect a valuable asset from RDZ and his team among others.

God tier posting

 

[London Irish]

Yes RDZ needs to find solutions, the one back-up plan up to now out wide Facundo hasn't worked often enough. Fati and Enciso are possibilities but realistically as Mike Small referred to above are more inside players. I think that leaves the other options converting Lamptey fully into a winger, a decent idea if him and Veltman at RB stay fit (a big if) or then trying the very inexperienced BBB, a really big ask for a young player at his stage of development. I think our rivals in spots 7-10 may have better options than that so it will be left again to RDZ to somehow produce a sum greater than the parts. Not beyond him but a huge ask

 

[Robinjakarta]

I was wondering if there’s any link to this - obvs it’s his thigh but all things connected etc etc…?

This?

 

[Zeberdi]

Well, that's why it is the manager's responsibility to make sure the player in question is well taken care of during the match, especially after the player received a career threatening tackle in the first half, and especially he is the manager who tends to rely so much on the player.

Tell me why you think RDZ still needed him on the pitch after 2-0 against a ten-men opponent.

No it is not - It is the pitch side physio/medics responsibility - Don’t you watch football at all? When did you last see a manager rushing onto a pitch with a stretcher or medical bag when a player goes down?

As I said above, muscular/ligament back injuries very often don’t hurt until hours later or the following day - adrenaline also can mask pain.

RDZ is the last manager I would accuse of relying too much on a player - he has rotated players more than a hog on a spit this season and managed perfectly well to field a successful squad when Mitoma was out previously with injury/international duty. He is also the first to bench a player if they are not giving 100 % regardless of how important they are to the squad.

I do agree Mitoma should have come off after that tackle though and said so myself several times on the match thread- not because he looked too injured to carry on but because he was at risk of further injury due to the shithousery going on in the Sheffield defence even after Holgate was sent off -as it was he was subbed at around 75 mins but not before his excellent cross resulted in an own goal. But that is an emotional response on my part. I also said at the time March should be rested before he got injured to protect him and then he was subsequently injured but again that was an emotional response - all players are at risk of injury- that is the nature of the game.

 

[jackalbion]

Sorry, I don't understand what you don't understand. Could you be more specific?

What external interest does De Zerbi have to injure Mitoma for starters?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Sorry but this is utter psychobabble. Not only are you being ‘too dramatic’ but seem to have a very warped view of how the fitness level of top flight footballers are managed. It is not the manager of a club that decides whether players are physically fit enough to play but a whole medical team, including physiotherapists, doctors and other backroom staff, including conditioning coaches who work on different aspects of any physical weakness in each player . Players have regular medicals relating to fitness testing including routine bloods (complete blood count, Vitamin D, Iron levels, etc.), cardiovascular fitness, lung function, joint mobility, muscle strength, and potential injuries - top flight players have access to xray and mri scans through the club when required and access to expertise from orthopaedic surgeons etc. It is simply not the case that a manager (any manager) can override the advice of the medical team and force players to play with (potential) injuries - that would be against club policy, FIFA medical guidelines and would likely be not only a breach of manager’s contract but undermine potential insurance claims too. It is the club doctor that has the final word, not the Coach. As far as injury impact during a match, show me one player that would not insist in continuing if he absolutely could, even to the point of trying to play through the pain or even ‘obscuring’ the extent of his pain to avoid being taken off.

(Back pains are often belatedly evident too - most people would tell you that it is often hours later or even the next day after being immobile overnight that the pain really hits with most muscular back injuries.)

Most of this.

Back pain, really depends what is the nature of the injury.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Yes RDZ needs to find solutions, the one back-up plan up to now out wide Facundo hasn't worked often enough. Fati and Enciso are possibilities but realistically as Mike Small referred to above are more inside players. I think that leaves the other options converting Lamptey fully into a winger, a decent idea if him and Veltman at RB stay fit (a big if) or then trying the very inexperienced BBB, a really big ask for a young player at his stage of development. I think our rivals in spots 7-10 may have better options than that so it will be left again to RDZ to somehow produce a sum greater than the parts. Not beyond him but a huge ask

Lamptey has already proved himself as an effective winger.

But perhaps there is the option of using left midfielder/winger from last year’s Copa Libertadores final?

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[Springal]

No it is not - It is the pitch side physio/medics responsibility - Don’t you watch football at all? When did you last see a manager rushing onto a pitch with a stretcher or medical bag when a player goes down?

As I said above, muscular/ligament back injuries very often don’t hurt until hours later or the following day - adrenaline also can mask pain.

Now we know what we know it’s not that different to Olise / Palace at our place really and how we ridiculed them.

RDZ said Mitoma had been suffering ‘something with his back’ before the Sheff Utd game, he played 76mins and is now out for the season with a back injury.

For reference

 

[Zeberdi]

Now we know what we know it’s not that different to Olise / Palace at our place really and how we ridiculed them.

RDZ said Mitoma had been suffering ‘something with his back’ before the Sheff Utd game, he played 76mins and is now out for the season with a back injury.

For reference

But it is not the responsibility of RDZ to assess players for match fitness whether there was a prior concern or not, it is the medical team (which was the point I was initially responding to in #355- calling RDZ ‘sadistic’ or requiring psychological treatment for allowing Mitoma to (continue to) play is just insane and completely misdirected vitriol. As for Palace, I certainly didn’t ridicule them about Olise - I did hear Mitoma getting booed by Palace supporters after Holgate’s tackle though.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Bielsa is one of RDZs heros.

Yes. Bielsa certainly was an amazing manager, and graciously took RDZ under his wing in 2017.

Brighton: De Zerbi opens up on football, Bielsa and escaping a Ukrainian bunker| All Football

Roberto de Zerbi has been talking about principles. About the time when he refused to leave Kyiv until his Brazilian players and their young families had secured a safe passage out of the besieged Ukrainian capital.

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I don't mind the idea that RDZ has taken some of Bielsa's ideas.

But you do. You wrote "feels very much like bielsa at Leeds where the squad just fell apart and were broken after a couple of seasons.". You don't think Bielsa was any good and you don't think RDZ is any good. That RDZ admired Bielsa does not probe your point.

I think your take is partial and mainly about making yourself look edgy, as it is so often. But you are perfectly entitled to entertain the rest of us with you silliness, so crack on.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Yes RDZ needs to find solutions, the one back-up plan up to now out wide Facundo hasn't worked often enough. Fati and Enciso are possibilities but realistically as Mike Small referred to above are more inside players. I think that leaves the other options converting Lamptey fully into a winger, a decent idea if him and Veltman at RB stay fit (a big if) or then trying the very inexperienced BBB, a really big ask for a young player at his stage of development. I think our rivals in spots 7-10 may have better options than that so it will be left again to RDZ to somehow produce a sum greater than the parts. Not beyond him but a huge ask

I like the idea of Lamptey on the wing as well. But he's also needed at right back and I still don't think we can get two games a week for the rest of the season out of him either

I also wonder if Estupinan as an out and out winger is one of the options. Igor filling in at left back?

 

[dwayne]

Yes. Bielsa certainly was an amazing manager, and graciously took RDZ under his wing in 2017.

Brighton: De Zerbi opens up on football, Bielsa and escaping a Ukrainian bunker| All Football

Roberto de Zerbi has been talking about principles. About the time when he refused to leave Kyiv until his Brazilian players and their young families had secured a safe passage out of the besieged Ukrainian capital.

m.allfootballapp.com

I don't mind the idea that RDZ has taken some of Bielsa's ideas.

But you do. You wrote "feels very much like bielsa at Leeds where the squad just fell apart and were broken after a couple of seasons.". You don't think Bielsa was any good and you don't think RDZ is any good. That RDZ admired Bielsa does not probe your point.

I think your take is partial and mainly about making yourself look edgy, as it is so often. But you are perfectly entitled to entertain the rest of us with you silliness, so crack on.

What are you blathering on about.

I don't think RDZ is any good?!?! Where have I said this?

I just think it's more than a coincidence that since RDZ has come in we have had more injuries. And I have likened that to Bielsas teams as they share some of the same philosophy.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

What are you blathering on about.

I don't think RDZ is any good?!?! Where have I said this?

I just think it's more than a coincidence that since RDZ has come in we have had more injuries. And I have likened that to Bielsas teams as they share some of the same philosophy.

How many times..... you wrote "feels very much like bielsa at Leeds where the squad just fell apart and were broken after a couple of seasons"

So do you think our squad will fall apart and be broken soon, or not?

And if you do think that, how can you still maintain RDZ is a good manager?

 

[Dave the OAP]

What external interest does De Zerbi have to injure Mitoma for starters?

Don’t feed the troll

 

[Insel affe]

Folks are getting all bent out of shape over an injury, that is worse than first thought, nothing malicious, no ones real fault, sometimes injuries develop over time and simply cannot be legislated or prepared for.

The most important thing is, he gets the correct treatment and is back as quickly as possible for us.
I do not think his injury will be season defining for us, due to the fact we have been blighted with injuries all season.
He could possibly be back for two cup finals and the Manchester United last game of the season, who knows.

take a chill pill, UTA everyone.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Now we know what we know it’s not that different to Olise / Palace at our place really and how we ridiculed them.

RDZ said Mitoma had been suffering ‘something with his back’ before the Sheff Utd game, he played 76mins and is now out for the season with a back injury.

For reference

I saw/heard a lot of criticism on the tv/radio re Hodgsons decision….not so much on here…none from me personally..too busy celebrating a thrashing ….cant see how anyone can be critical of RDZ re this and havnt seen anything elsewhere …shrug

 

[LamieRobertson]

Injuries been crazy since RDZ joined. Said before but feels very much like bielsa at Leeds where the squad just fell apart and were broken after a couple of seasons.

Doesn’t ‘feel’ like a Leeds situation to me personally…the position in the league …participation in cup competitions….time spent in PL…recruitment set up…..CLUB ownership…..nope don’t get that feeling at all ….few of the squad have a bit of a history re injuries

March
Lallana
Welbeck
Lamptey
Webster

Then we have

Hinshelwood…not played that much in the grand scheme of things

Injuries to Veltman, Estupinan Ferguson …you really putting that down to RDZ?

I’m sure I could expand this further if I felt inclined to spend the time

Newcastle suffering from injuries wonder if they are blaming Howe? Think not

Ps off to the physio today re a back injury….hopefully not out for the season….but if so I’ll be sure to blame watching Brighton this season

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Doesn’t ‘feel’ like a Leeds situation to me personally…the position in the league …participation in cup competitions….time spent in PL…recruitment set up…..CLUB ownership…..nope don’t get that feeling at all ….few of the squad have a bit of a history re injuries

March
Lallana
Welbeck
Lamptey
Webster

Then we have

Hinshelwood…not played that much in the grand scheme of things

Injuries to Veltman, Estupinan Ferguson …you really putting that down to RDZ?

I’m sure I could expand this further if I felt inclined to spend the time

Newcastle suffering from injuries wonder if they are blaming Howe? Think not

My experience talking to Newcastle fans is that they think the sun shines out of Howe's backside.

 

[Insel affe]

My experience talking to Newcastle fans is that they think the sun shines out of Howe's backside.

They are a credulous lot.

 

[GJN1]

I don't care what the gaffer says. We have to throw Barco in on the left wing. It just makes sense.

Get me him on the phone.