[News] Just Stop Oil

[pastafarian]

I think the stopping of using oil is kind of implied in the name Just Stop Oil.

I don't think they want the UK to rely on imports, that would be silly. I suspect they want the UK to Just Stop (using) Oil.

There website doesn't seem to have a manifesto as such but I feel safe to assume the above.

Just Stop (using our own) Oil (and buy other people's). Makes a whole lot less sense.

Their stated aim on the website seems clear.

WHAT DOES JUST STOP OIL WANT?

We demand that the UK government makes a statement that it will immediately halt all future licensing and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK.

If we halt all future licensing and consents we are moving to be fully reliant on imports.
Existing licences and consents will at some point expire, dependant on how many years the licence was granted for.
When we would not grant even them a new licence or consent upon expiry, then the outcome is eventually being fully reliant on imports.

As you said…………silly

 

[Goldstone Guy]

Their stated aim on the website seems clear.

WHAT DOES JUST STOP OIL WANT?

We demand that the UK government makes a statement that it will immediately halt all future licensing and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK.

If we halt all future licensing and consents we are moving to be fully reliant on imports.
Existing licences and consents will at some point expire, dependant on how many years the licence was granted for.
When we would not grant even them a new licence or consent upon expiry, then the outcome is eventually being fully reliant on imports.

As you said…………silly

We wouldn't be reliant at all on imports if we got all our electricity from renewables (for probably the 30th time in this thread). Yes fossil fuels for things like transport as discussed above is an issue. As it is, we are currently partially reliant on imports (or at least have been in the past few years) as the Russia Ukraine war demonstrated.

 

[Stat Brother]

We wouldn't be reliant at all on imports if we got all our electricity from renewables (for probably the 30th time in this thread). Yes fossil fuels for things like transport as discussed above is an issue. As it is, we are currently partially reliant on imports (or at least have been in the past few years) as the Russia Ukraine war demonstrated.

The JSO stated aims seem the perfect and only way of focusing the hearts and minds of all interested parties away from fossil fuels.

Not too sure what there is to get o titsy about, assuming there is still time on the current licenses.

 

[worthingseagull123]

The JSO stated aims seem the perfect and only way of focusing the hearts and minds of all interested parties away from fossil fuels.

Not too sure what there is to get o titsy about, assuming there is still time on the current licenses.

So if we stop issuing licences for new oil and gas extraction in the North Sea, how much will global temperatures not increase by?

 

[pastafarian]

We wouldn't be reliant at all on imports if we got all our electricity from renewables (for probably the 30th time in this thread). Yes fossil fuels for things like transport as discussed above is an issue. As it is, we are currently partially reliant on imports (or at least have been in the past few years) as the Russia Ukraine war demonstrated.

What about manufacturing and the untold number of products that use petroleum derivatives?
Where are we going to get that from if not producing it or importing it?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What about manufacturing and the untold number of products that use petroleum derivatives?
Where are we going to get that from if not producing it or importing it?

Many plastics can be recycled.

 

[Stat Brother]

Big thread on the massive strides China is taking to Just Stop Oil

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Excuse me what? Buying and running an electric car is not cheaper than a petrol/diesel car, it's more expensive. Where do you get the idea it's much cheaper

Buying = more expensive. Running I thought was cheaper?

 

[Goldstone Guy]

What about manufacturing and the untold number of products that use petroleum derivatives?
Where are we going to get that from if not producing it or importing it?

Yes agreed we will likely need oil for various uses. As someone else has said on this thread, that's more of a reason to not burn it as a fuel. If we were in a situation where we weren't using any fossil fuels for energy, or at least had an active, rapid plan to transition to 100% renewables, and JSO we're still protesting against exploration for oil for non-fuel purposes, then my support for them would likely stop. However we're not, so it hasn't.

 

[pastafarian]

Many plastics can be recycled.

Plastics still in use dont need to be recycled, you therefore need a flow of new product s well.
Your response doesnt answer where you are getting crude oil from for petroleum derived products if there is eventually zero production in the UK.
How can you not be reliant on imports if your sole source of new base product is imports?

 

[rogersix]

Plastics still in use dont need to be recycled, you therefore need a flow of new product s well.
Your response doesnt answer where you are getting crude oil from for petroleum derived products if there is eventually zero production in the UK.
How can you not be reliant on imports if your sole source of new base product is imports?

use sunflower oil

 

[jcdenton08]

Buying = more expensive. Running I thought was cheaper?

If you charge almost exclusively at home across the lifetime of the vehicle, this is true. Public charging points (the ‘rapid’ ones) are up to 10x more expensive than home charging. The issue there being to get reasonable value from an EV, you need to be travelling in reach of your home within a full charge.

 

[Stat Brother]

 

[Colonel Mustard]

If you charge almost exclusively at home across the lifetime of the vehicle, this is true. Public charging points (the ‘rapid’ ones) are up to 10x more expensive than home charging. The issue there being to get reasonable value from an EV, you need to be travelling in reach of your home within a full charge.

OK thanks. Fortunately we generate enough solar to charge at home and, now that we’re retired, don’t make many long journeys.

 

[beorhthelm]

Why would getting all our energy from renewable sources, which is much cheaper than getting it from fossil fuels (original edited), cause societal collapse? It wouldn't, the only collapse would be in back-handers for politicians.

getting all our energy from renewable would be great. pay careful attention to the demand (there's not mine) to transition to a low energy world. whats the difference? much focus is on renewables for electricity, or electricity replacing petrol, overlooking the broad total energy consumption. 20-25% of total energy is electric, the rest is energy used for transport, industry and heating. if we had 100% renewable electric we'd still only be 20-25% total renewable energy. to cover the rest we'd need 5x more renewable energy, in many cases not even possible or practical.

the argument moves to reduce the amount of energy used, which means cutting transport, industry and heating. how much less transport, industry and heating do you think the population would tolerate? our society is founded on large consumption of energy, so to go low energy means low industry, low commerce, low economic output. and all the problems with society that would bring.

stop thinking about the corporations making money from producing fuels, think about the fact we consume the product of those fuels. sure profits etc, but we all benefit from the utility of whatever used that fuel.

 

[Creaky]

The problem is not how much oil and gas is pumped nor how much coal comes out of the ground.

The simple truth is that the problem is how much of those each and everyone of us use.

The answer is not just an increase in renewables but incentives for us all to decrease our usage.

One example is the comparison of air source heat pumps - the government has set a target of 600,000 being installed by 2028 - sounds great until you realise that some 23 million households depend on gas boilers for their heating and hot water!

I believe their should be a carrot and stick approach to this - subsidise the one you want people to use and tax hard the ones you want to stop.

The same argument could be applied to new car sales, modes of transport, car, rail, bus, air etc.

Whatever the approach it has to be accepted that if we all continue to use the amount of energy we do today then the future doesn’t look very bright.

Just Stop Oil are I believe attacking climate change from the wrong angle but at least they aren’t being complacent about it.

 

[beorhthelm]

What about manufacturing and the untold number of products that use petroleum derivatives?
Where are we going to get that from if not producing it or importing it?

people dont think about how much industrial uses, chemicals, plastics, steel, cement, fertilisers, come from various extracted fossil fuels. we'd live in wooden houses and trains, food production would plumet if we actually went to zero carbon emissions. thats the whole point behind net zero, and acknowledgement we will need to extract and consume some fossil fuels into the future. we could use vegtable oils for some, meaning less food for the poorer parts of the world as we burn or process grains into industrial products. i dont think thats really what people want though.

 

[rogersix]

people dont think about how much industrial uses, chemicals, plastics, steel, cement, fertilisers, come from various extracted fossil fuels. we'd live in wooden houses and trains, food production would plumet if we actually went to zero carbon emissions. thats the whole point behind net zero, and acknowledgement we will need to extract and consume some fossil fuels into the future. we could use vegtable oils for some, meaning less food for the poorer parts of the world as we burn or process grains into industrial products. i dont think thats really what people want though.

what do the people want?

 

[worthingseagull123]

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Yes. People like to travel by car and this is not going to change, regardless of how the vehicle is powered.

 

[portslade seagull]

Big thread on the massive strides China is taking to Just Stop Oil

Yet China are probably the biggest polluters and will be for many years to come. Massive strides should read small pidgeon steps