[News] Just Stop Oil

[jessiejames]

Gosh you’re right. How could I forget the impossibility of travelling around London using public transport.

Just answering your stupid question. Maybe they want the car to take them to the airport with all the cases for the around the world holiday they are going on, how dare them do that.

 

[worthingseagull123]

No, we need to (and are) simultaneously switching away from fossil fuel usage, which reduces demand, which (if profiteering wasn’t taking place) would depress the price, as well as ensuring existing supply lasts longer.

We had oil fuelled power stations not long ago, now mothballed. We have the technology to never need a new oil or gas facility again. All we have to do is prioritise the transition over “business as usual”.

The biggest challenge for whoever forms the next government is a 21st century energy policy that prioritises renewables, battery storage and the decarbonisation of our economy.

The government we currently have has prolonged our fossil fuel dependency as far as humanly possible. They are the enemy, they are the reason JSO has found itself necessary.

The demand will drop off as quickly as we can progress.

37 million petrol and diesel cars on our roads, cannot be quickly replaced.

We are decades away from moving to zero emission aircraft.

Shipping, imports and exports will rely on fossil fuels.

We have millions of perfectly functioning gas boilers and gas stoves. Replacing them wont come quick and wont come cheap (good luck getting people to pay for expensive heat pumps whilst inflation is high and the cost of living crisis continues).

Bar tinkering with electricity supply, I am not sure what can be done physically quicker than we are doing now.

 

[raymondo]

Make the cost of installing a heat pump the same as a replacement gas boiler by a combination of subsidising one and putting a levy on the other.

That's a possible way ahead, but I often hear from the 'experts' that properties need to be very well built and insulated for heat pumps to be viable (please correct me anyone who knows better).
And apparently our housing stock is, on average, quite shite.

 

[jessiejames]

yeah, spose, or prosecute the perpertrator of an unprovoked, violent assualt,

uphold the law of the land and all of that sorty of thing, you know

I agree, but then you have to prosecute the protester for blocking the road. I dont agree what that 🛎 done and i hope he is done hard for that Especially for the kick. This is my fear that at some point someone could die through the actions of mindless idiots caught up in these protests be it an Innocent member public or a protest

 

[raymondo]

Am I allowed a rye smile (nothing more) at Goodwood s Festival of Amphetamines having to cancel Saturday due to the 'climate change'.

Or a wheat or oat smile maybe...

 

[Sheebo]

Hope the poor fella in the video is ok

 

[A1X]

Just answering your stupid question. Maybe they want the car to take them to the airport with all the cases for the around the world holiday they are going on, how dare them do that.

Yes I had forgotten there was no way of reaching any major London airport from the centre of the city without a car.

 

[chickens]

I dont see many opposing JSO, its the way they are going about it. I cant work out why the decide to walk along the road at a snails pace with all the cars behind them with the engine running, is that not part of the problem. Why not march on the pavement and let the cars go past.

I saw the video when they first started blocking the motorways, i saw the idiot run onto the live lane. Now if um in my truck going 56 MPH, a couple of things will happen,
I slam on the brakes which will jack knife the trailer, not only seriously injuring me, but Possibly flipping my trailer onto a couple of cars killing Innocent people and i have to live with that fir the rest of my life, or i somehow manage to slow down enough and hit said protestor giving him life changing injuries, again i would have to live with that. All because some so called Eco warrior thinks its great to Inconvenience innocent people, and cause more problems that they are Protesting about.

Thank you for your response JJ, I can tell from some of your posts how frustrated JSO tactics make you, but I’m relieved to hear you’re not against their ultimate aims.

JSO are in a difficult position themselves, if their protests are too easy to ignore, they become too easy to ignore, and simply won’t get media coverage.

They can’t fix anything by their actions, just keep us talking about their aims, for which they need us to be talking about them, even if it’s to curse them.

I agree there’s a significant risk of something absolutely terrible happening, and we could have witnessed it as soon as today, even without vehicles being directly involved. However, thankfully all survived, and live to protest (or punch according to choice) another day.

All we can do is try to put pressure on our government, who seem largely owned by the fossil fuel industry, to make changes faster. Ideally we’d be spending public money on subsidising anything that helped us decarbonise, but instead we’re granting new oil and gas projects.

These are last century’s solutions to this century’s problems. If we stop this nonsense, JSO will be able to claim “job done” and fade away. I genuinely hope this happens before somebody gets killed or seriously injured.

 

[rogersix]

And to all the people trotting out the "it's not violent" mantra, I presume you're ok with other forms of abuse because they're not violent?

What about a nice bit of stalking? You must surely like controlling and coercive behaviour?

It's ok because it's peaceful

that's desperate stuff.

there's a fair few savages on this thread. democracy and the law of the land, a mere trifle, mob rule is accepted, as long as it's yours.

i wonder if the protestors have contemplated, "is civilisation worth saving?"

 

[worthingseagull123]

All we can do is try to put pressure on our government, who seem largely owned by the fossil fuel industry, to make changes faster. Ideally we’d be spending public money on subsidising anything that helped us decarbonise, but instead we’re granting new oil and gas projects.

These are last century’s solutions to this century’s problems. If we stop this nonsense, JSO will be able to claim “job done” and fade away. I genuinely hope this happens before somebody gets killed or seriously injured.

If the government back down, they could be setting a precedent to any fringe group who want things changed.

 

[chickens]

The demand will drop off as quickly as we can progress.

Agreed.

37 million petrol and diesel cars on our roads, cannot be quickly replaced.

Year by year they can be diminished, but agree it won’t be instant. Nonetheless, we could immediately increase tax on new and used combustion engined vehicles, while using the funds to subsidise electric vehicles.

We are decades away from moving to zero emission aircraft.

There’s an airline already aiming to transition to green hydrogen as of 2025. They’re a proof of concept, but if they’re successful, more will follow.

Shipping, imports and exports will rely on fossil fuels.

Here we may have to accept lower capacity per ship to fit alternative power sources.

We have millions of perfectly functioning gas boilers and gas stoves. Replacing them wont come quick and wont come cheap (good luck getting people to pay for expensive heat pumps whilst inflation is high and the cost of living crisis continues).

Again, the absolute minimum we should be doing is taxing gas boilers to a level that they’re significantly more expensive than heat pumps, and using those funds to subsidise heat pumps. These are the basic actions our current government are signally failing to take.

Bar tinkering with electricity supply, I am not sure what can be done physically quicker than we are doing now.

See above, there are basic actions that we should and need to take to accelerate things. I agree we’re making moves in the right direction, but we need to move faster. We shouldn’t be adding more capacity to the fossil fuel industry, we should be expediting our transition away.

 

[rogersix]

I agree that man is screwing the planet and climate, I’ve thought this consistently for 40 years.

I also hate the power of petro companies and their collusion with governments. Sometimes they’re one and the same …. Norway!

But sorry I don’t hang all my hopes on one UK campaign group to alter one nation, to save the planet. I don’t agree with the length of the methods. All publicity isn’t always great publicity. Get the vast majority on your side.

Finally, the UK is way, way down the league of CO2 released per capita. Germany, Canada, Japan, US and Australia have got shockingly bad numbers. It has to be a continued joint effort. I’m more interested in how the global community can stop the usual suspects destroying the planet, than bringing London to a halt.

sorry, you lost me at the end there, are you suggesting that jso should protest in a foreign country, or not at all?

 

[TheJasperCo]

The demand will drop off as quickly as we can progress.

37 million petrol and diesel cars on our roads, cannot be quickly replaced.

We are decades away from moving to zero emission aircraft.

Shipping, imports and exports will rely on fossil fuels.

We have millions of perfectly functioning gas boilers and gas stoves. Replacing them wont come quick and wont come cheap (good luck getting people to pay for expensive heat pumps whilst inflation is high and the cost of living crisis continues).

Bar tinkering with electricity supply, I am not sure what can be done physically quicker than we are doing now.

Not true on the aeroplane bit. My partner works in aviation and tells me that the first commerical transatlantic flight with 100% sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) is due for launch late this autumn.

 

[rogersix]

So drilling and refining our own oil and gas whilst we transition = bad

Importing oil and gas from OPEC nations thousands of miles away whilst we transition = good?

if the price goes up and demand goes down, yes

 

[chimneys]

Isn’t there a strike tomorrow?

In any event, £55 for an anytime return. Driving is cheaper, quicker, more convenient and more comfortable.

There is so good luck with driving in! Roads will be gridlocked even more than with the JSO protests. Would avoid driving in tomorrow of all days!

 

[chickens]

If the government back down, they could be setting a precedent to any fringe group who want things changed.

In general I agree, but here (and I know how dramatic this sounds) we could be talking about significant parts of the planet’s inhabitable land mass becoming uninhabitable or barely habitable.

Now, for a nation who don’t like mass immigration, you’d think preventing this would be our top priority, because people in uninhabitable conditions don’t tend to stand in one spot until they spontaneously combust, they migrate to more liveable conditions.

In these circumstances, I’d like to think our government would be moving heaven and earth to decarbonise. Not granting new oil and gas licenses. This is currently not the case.

 

[rogersix]

The demand will drop off as quickly as we can progress.

37 million petrol and diesel cars on our roads, cannot be quickly replaced.

We are decades away from moving to zero emission aircraft.

Shipping, imports and exports will rely on fossil fuels.

We have millions of perfectly functioning gas boilers and gas stoves. Replacing them wont come quick and wont come cheap (good luck getting people to pay for expensive heat pumps whilst inflation is high and the cost of living crisis continues).

Bar tinkering with electricity supply, I am not sure what can be done physically quicker than we are doing now.

you think the tory party is decarbonising the economy as quickly as is possible? ........really?

 

[jessiejames]

My problem is the haulage companies, Tesla brought out a tractor unit fully electric, attached that to the trailer and that was it, the combind weight was more than Legally allowed on british roads, my aim in truck us to cover between 400 and 450 miles per day, an electric truck will do at best 250 miles before it needs to be charged, thats without a fridge trailer attached. Yes we can put more electric trucks on the road, but how are these extra drivers pay comming from. I think Diesel will still be needed for the next 10 years.

 

[Weststander]

sorry, you lost me at the end there, are you suggesting that jso should protest in a foreign country, or not at all?

That stopping Japan, Germany, US, Canada and Australia destroying the planet (per capita) is far more important by an immeasurable multiple. Over and above the usual UK navel gazing from folk who really struggle to look beyond these shores, who can’t see the big picture of mankind. We see this time and time again, a British disease, is it a mental block of party politicised obsessives in a media/twatter/facebook era? Bringing central London to halt for protracted periods won’t ultimately reduce the temperatures in Italy, the US or Mali.

I’m far more interested in global agreements.

The UK has already made great progress without a roadblock in sight. Some, I hope you’re not blinkered too, would have us believe that we’re CO2 pariahs. People can’t be that stupid.

 

[rogersix]

I agree, but then you have to prosecute the protester for blocking the road. I dont agree what that 🛎 done and i hope he is done hard for that Especially for the kick. This is my fear that at some point someone could die through the actions of mindless idiots caught up in these protests be it an Innocent member public or a protest

so the only important thing is, forming a plan and then actioning upon it, that's what the protestors are hoping to bring about