[News] Just Stop Oil

[A1X]

Maybe they have places to goor work outside London

Gosh you’re right. How could I forget the impossibility of travelling around London using public transport.

 

[A1X]

The desertification of southern Europe continues apace, BTW. That feels a bit more important than a few people being slightly inconvenienced in London.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Train’s easier to get to central London. Happy to help.

Isn’t there a strike tomorrow?

In any event, £55 for an anytime return. Driving is cheaper, quicker, more convenient and more comfortable.

 

[Weststander]

Opposing JSO is opposing our continued existence on Earth with us having no viable alternative.

Now it won’t affect any of us, we’ll be dead anyway, but anyone with kids, or with nieces/nephews, or even with mates who have children should really be giving their heads a good hard wobble if they think JSO are the enemy.

JSO is trying to keep this planet human habitable against the almost endless resource of the fossil fuel industry, which will continue to take the money now, and worry about the future when it arrives.

I agree that man is screwing the planet and climate, I’ve thought this consistently for 40 years.

I also hate the power of petro companies and their collusion with governments. Sometimes they’re one and the same …. Norway!

But sorry I don’t hang all my hopes on one UK campaign group to alter one nation, to save the planet. I don’t agree with the length of the methods. All publicity isn’t always great publicity. Get the vast majority on your side.

Finally, the UK is way, way down the league of CO2 released per capita. Germany, Canada, Japan, US and Australia have got shockingly bad numbers. It has to be a continued joint effort. I’m more interested in how the global community can stop the usual suspects destroying the planet, than bringing London to a halt.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Opposing JSO is opposing our continued existence on Earth with us having no viable alternative.

Now it won’t affect any of us, we’ll be dead anyway, but anyone with kids, or with nieces/nephews, or even with mates who have children should really be giving their heads a good hard wobble if they think JSO are the enemy.

JSO is trying to keep this planet human habitable against the almost endless resource of the fossil fuel industry, which will continue to take the money now, and worry about the future when it arrives.

So drilling and refining our own oil and gas whilst we transition = bad

Importing oil and gas from OPEC nations thousands of miles away whilst we transition = good?

 

[pb21]

Exactly what I mean. I’m not condoning violence I’m merely of the opinion that some people will resort to it as a means of venting their anger and frustration. JSO’s tactics in disrupting people’s everyday lives will trigger that reaction.

Well that maybe the case, and I suspect the JSO protesters will be aware of this. Hopefully nothing serious happens, but if it does those causing harm face appropriate justice. Ultimately being angry and frustrated isn't a valid excuse for putting someone in hospital or worse, imagine if it was.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So drilling and refining our own oil and gas whilst we transition = bad

Importing oil and gas from OPEC nations thousands of miles away whilst we transition = good?

Transitioning would be good either way, but this present government isn’t even trying to do that. If anything, they are abandoning looking for renewable sources.

 

[Stat Brother]

 

[chickens]

I agree that man is screwing the planet and climate, I’ve thought this consistently for 40 years.

I also hate the power of petro companies and their collusion with governments. Sometimes they’re one and the same …. Norway!

But sorry I don’t hang all my hopes on one UK campaign group to alter one nation, to save the planet. I don’t agree with the length of the methods. All publicity isn’t always great publicity. Get the vast majority on your side.

Finally, the UK is way, way down the league of CO2 released per capita. Germany, Canada, Japan, US and Australia have got shockingly bad numbers. It has to be a continued joint effort. I’m more interested in how the global community can stop the usual suspects destroying the planet, than bringing London to a halt.

Herein lies the rub for me. If JSO’s protests don’t cause disruption, they won’t be covered, they will be airbrushed from our history, making them totally ineffective.

It isn’t winning hearts and minds to disrupt ordinary people, but it is reliably getting media attention, which fuels debate, which is effective.

JSO can’t solve the problems, they can only keep the problems at the forefront of our minds. I absolutely agree that we’re a small part of the jigsaw, but I don’t think it’s only British citizens who are aware of the damage being done to entire countries and communities. We have to make changes ourselves. I haven’t flown since 2018, and am switching to an electric vehicle.

Finally, new gas and oil licenses are a ridiculous step at this stage where renewables (unsubsidised) are cheaper than subsided fossil fuels. Let’s use tidal, onshore wind, offshore wind, and solar to meet our energy needs. Let’s ensure every new build (residential and commercial) must utilise solar and battery storage. All we have to do to meet JSO’s ask is stop electing idiot politicians who want to expand our use of oil beyond its existing capacity. I don’t like being disrupted, nobody does, but let’s stop voting for cretins with 20th century environmental policies.

 

[rogersix]

I don't think he is.....he is commenting on the methods used by ' the Dale Vince army ' which most of us feel are achieving precisely nothing.ach

nope, they're doing something

 

[rogersix]

The trouble is....the planet will not all pull together. The ' every little bit helps ' argument doesn't stand up, as the negative output of some will far outweigh the positive effort of others. Some will make far more sacrifice than others. Frustration at lack of action in certain countries will grow and it will only result in more protesting in places like the UK, where demonstrations are tolerated and civil unrest at disruption to everyday life will boil over.
We can work our socks off to lower our 2% contribution to global emissions but it will count for very little if similar effort is not put in elsewhere. Are people really going to stop using aircraft ( massive polluters ) Are we going to ban the use of giant cargo ships to transport our goods around the world ( even more massive polluters ) Are offices, homes and cars going to stop using air conditioning. Are we stopping to consider that the use of electric vehicles in the commercial world will not only slow down the transportation of goods and services around the world ( battery life/recharging etc ) but will also increase prices at the same time ( drivers hours etc )
Will people make these sacrifices? I still see well known climate activists flying all over the world, increasing carbon emissions.

fair point, so are you saying give up?

 

[worthingseagull123]

Transitioning would be good either way, but this present government isn’t even trying to do that. If anything, they are abandoning looking for renewable sources.

Petrol and diesel ban from 2030 (ahead of many nations).

No new gas boilers from 2025 (ahead of many nations).

What policies would you like to see?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Petrol and diesel ban from 2030 (ahead of many nations).

No new gas boilers from 2025 (ahead of many nations).

What policies would you like to see?

Continuation of wind farms, some of which have been cancelled recently. Solar farms instead of ridiculous excuses that ‘valuable’ farm is being used up.
In other words, fewer lies from the politicians.
As for promises for future dates, I don’t believe a word of it.

 

[rogersix]

I have no idea what could be done to make people use less power. The one practical thing that we could do is give vast subsidies to third world countries to build wind and solar power plants, but even that is politically fraught (eg. China).

But imagine us as the millionaire with the 100 room mansion while his neighbours live in two-room huts. If the millionaire agrees to close 50 of his rooms and take one or two fewer holidays, it isn't going to persuade the poor neighbours to cut down on their fuel usage. Poorer countries will not give up the dash for growth, so all we can try to do is make their growth plan cheaper with renewables than with gas and coal.

just to get it straight in my head, are you saying that for civilisation to survive, the human race HAS to share everythjing?

is that correct?

 

[A1X]

Continuation of wind farms, some of which have been cancelled recently. Solar farms instead of ridiculous excuses that ‘valuable’ farm is being used up.
In other words, fewer lies from the politicians.
As for promises for future dates, I don’t believe a word of it.

I genuinely don’t understand why virtually every public building cannot have solar panels installed. After all, it’s not like it would spoil the appearance of most much more. It’d be a cost upfront but the savings must be huge.

 

[jessiejames]

Opposing JSO is opposing our continued existence on Earth with us having no viable alternative.

Now it won’t affect any of us, we’ll be dead anyway, but anyone with kids, or with nieces/nephews, or even with mates who have children should really be giving their heads a good hard wobble if they think JSO are the enemy.

JSO is trying to keep this planet human habitable against the almost endless resource of the fossil fuel industry, which will continue to take the money now, and worry about the future when it arrives.

I dont see many opposing JSO, its the way they are going about it. I cant work out why the decide to walk along the road at a snails pace with all the cars behind them with the engine running, is that not part of the problem. Why not march on the pavement and let the cars go past.

I saw the video when they first started blocking the motorways, i saw the idiot run onto the live lane. Now if um in my truck going 56 MPH, a couple of things will happen,
I slam on the brakes which will jack knife the trailer, not only seriously injuring me, but Possibly flipping my trailer onto a couple of cars killing Innocent people and i have to live with that fir the rest of my life, or i somehow manage to slow down enough and hit said protestor giving him life changing injuries, again i would have to live with that. All because some so called Eco warrior thinks its great to Inconvenience innocent people, and cause more problems that they are Protesting about.

 

[chickens]

So drilling and refining our own oil and gas whilst we transition = bad

Importing oil and gas from OPEC nations thousands of miles away whilst we transition = good?

No, we need to (and are) simultaneously switching away from fossil fuel usage, which reduces demand, which (if profiteering wasn’t taking place) would depress the price, as well as ensuring existing supply lasts longer.

We had oil fuelled power stations not long ago, now mothballed. We have the technology to never need a new oil or gas facility again. All we have to do is prioritise the transition over “business as usual”.

The biggest challenge for whoever forms the next government is a 21st century energy policy that prioritises renewables, battery storage and the decarbonisation of our economy.

The government we currently have has prolonged our fossil fuel dependency as far as humanly possible. They are the enemy, they are the reason JSO has found itself necessary.

 

[beorhthelm]

Continuation of wind farms, some of which have been cancelled recently. Solar farms instead of ridiculous excuses that ‘valuable’ farm is being used up.
In other words, fewer lies from the politicians.
As for promises for future dates, I don’t believe a word of it.

you'd be happy to know we have added 14GW wind farm capacity the past year or so, 100GW in the pipeline.

https://www.renewableuk.com/news/632004/UK-offshore-wind-pipeline-reaches-nearly-100-gigawatts---while-global-pipeline-hits-over-1100GW-.htm

 

[rogersix]

We will see more and more of this needless and unacceptable aggression if they continue to target the public.

Maybe it is time for them to have a rethink before someone gets seriously hurt.

yeah, spose, or prosecute the perpertrator of an unprovoked, violent assualt,

uphold the law of the land and all of that sorty of thing, you know

 

[Thunder Bolt]

you'd be happy to know we have added 14GW wind farm capacity the past year or so, 100GW in the pipeline.

https://www.renewableuk.com/news/632004/UK-offshore-wind-pipeline-reaches-nearly-100-gigawatts---while-global-pipeline-hits-over-1100GW-.htm

Much more can and should be done.