[News] Just Stop Oil

[chickens]

Not sure you've used your loaf there.

He can’t be getting paid for posts like that, however much he kneads the dough.

 

[Jim in the West]

No problem. I'm just referring to 'Just stop oil'. I assume their focus is on oil rather than all fossil fuels.

JSO wish to stop the licencing of new oil, gas and coal fields. I suppose they could include gas and coal in the name, but it might become a bit unwieldy.

 

[dsr-burnley]

JSO wish to stop the licencing of new oil, gas and coal fields. I suppose they could include gas and coal in the name, but it might become a bit unwieldy.

I believe they want to stop renewals of licences for existing fields as well. Though they are a bit vague so I can't be certain if that's true.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Not sure you've used your loaf there.

I propose a toast, in honour of your fine pun. You must be NSC born and bread.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Spanners have been out in force in the capital today, numerous arrests and placards grabbed by irate motorists apparently.

 

[hart's shirt]

I propose a toast, in honour of your fine pun. You must be NSC born and bread.

Sadly there was no actual bread despite appearing so.

So it was probably a wry allusion about a rye illusion.

 

[Triggaaar]

If you insist on new, then absolutely, but thankfully (due to the heroic early adopters who took a chance on a new technology) there is now a second hand market of Renault Zoe’s, Nissan Leaf, BMW i3 and Tesla’s out there. There’s even Jaguar I-Pace’s out there for a decent price if you simply must drive a tank with the performance of a supercar.

No, even second hand. It's cheaper to buy a petrol car.

 

[chickens]

No, even second hand. It's cheaper to buy a petrol car.

That’s what I’d describe as a sweeping generalisation that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. E.g, a quick glance at Auto Trader will tell you that the average price of a 2015 plate Nissan Leaf is less than a 2015 plate Honda Civic. Both Japanese cars, both hatches, both seat the same number of people. With the greatest of respect, you’re wrong.

 

[dsr-burnley]

That’s what I’d describe as a sweeping generalisation that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. E.g, a quick glance at Auto Trader will tell you that the average price of a 2015 plate Nissan Leaf is less than a 2015 plate Honda Civic. Both Japanese cars, both hatches, both seat the same number of people. With the greatest of respect, you’re wrong.

To be fair, the 2015 Nissan Leaf has a claimed range of 124 miles when new. The Honda Civic is a far better (ie. more practical) car for most users.

 

[Mr Phil]

To be fair, the 2015 Nissan Leaf has a claimed range of 124 miles when new. The Honda Civic is a far better (ie. more practical) car for most users.

I’m curious to know how many times a week most people drive over 124 miles in one go, though

 

[Hamilton]

That’s what I’d describe as a sweeping generalisation that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. E.g, a quick glance at Auto Trader will tell you that the average price of a 2015 plate Nissan Leaf is less than a 2015 plate Honda Civic. Both Japanese cars, both hatches, both seat the same number of people. With the greatest of respect, you’re wrong.

Yep @Triggaaar - it looks like you can get favourable prices for your second hand e car... https://usedcars.nissan.co.uk/en/ve...WAPD_BwE&ltrack=adwords-adbox&ZIP_LOC=BN1 6SH

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Big thread on the massive strides China is taking to Just Stop Oil

They are opening more Coal power stations still

China ramps up coal power despite carbon neutral pledges | China | The Guardian

Local governments approved more coal power in first three months of 2023 than all of 2021

amp.theguardian.com

 

[chickens]

To be fair, the 2015 Nissan Leaf has a claimed range of 124 miles when new. The Honda Civic is a far better (ie. more practical) car for most users.

I’d make 2 points there.

1. The Honda is only more practical if you take journeys that are over a hundred miles in total (travel and return)

If you don’t, and have a driveway where a home charger can be fitted, the Leaf is more practical as you just plug it in upon return to base. There’s no need to visit petrol stations, stand there in cold and rain breathing in the stink, queue, then hand over £80 for the privilege.

2. @Triggaaar was arguing on price, the Leaf is unarguably cheaper on average than the Civic, just as the Renault Zoe is cheaper on average than the equivalent Renault Clio.

There’s less choice atm in electric cars, but with all the models being released, there will be almost endless choice five years from now.

 

[dsr-burnley]

I’m curious to know how many times a week most people drive over 124 miles in one go, though

Often enough to want a car that will do it.

(I bet these Leafs don't do 124 miles in winter, with the lights and heater and wipers on.)

 

[dsr-burnley]

I’d make 2 points there.

1. The Honda is only more practical if you take journeys that are over a hundred miles in total (travel and return)

If you don’t, and have a driveway where a home charger can be fitted, the Leaf is more practical as you just plug it in upon return to base. There’s no need to visit petrol stations, stand there in cold and rain breathing in the stink, queue, then hand over £80 for the privilege.

2. @Triggaaar was arguing on price, the Leaf is unarguably cheaper on average than the Civic, just as the Renault Zoe is cheaper on average than the equivalent Renault Clio.

There’s less choice atm in electric cars, but with all the models being released, there will be almost endless choice five years from now.

Certaily for people who never, under any circumstances, would want to travel over 100 miles, the Civic's advantage of range disappears. That's why I said the Civic is more practical for most users.

And yes, a Leaf is cheaper than a Civic, marginally. Just as a match ticket for Whitehawk FC is cheaper than a match ticket for Brighton & Hove Albion. But you need to take into account the quality of what you're getting as well.

 

[A1X]

Spanners have been out in force in the capital today, numerous arrests and placards grabbed by irate motorists apparently.

I trust the arrests were of the motorists for assault?

 

[Is it PotG?]

I trust the arrests were of the motorists for assault?

https://news.sky.com/story/just-sto...-after-targeting-14-london-locations-12922327

"Motorists have been filmed grabbing protesters on Marylebone Road and Cromwell Road - and swinging them to the side. Another person was seen grabbing one of the group's banners as he drove by on a motorbike."

 

[chickens]

Certaily for people who never, under any circumstances, would want to travel over 100 miles, the Civic's advantage of range disappears. That's why I said the Civic is more practical for most users.

And yes, a Leaf is cheaper than a Civic, marginally. Just as a match ticket for Whitehawk FC is cheaper than a match ticket for Brighton & Hove Albion. But you need to take into account the quality of what you're getting as well.

Having owned a 2014 Leaf in the past, and a 2008 Civic, I’d argue that the Civic (on first inspection) seems a more solid product, but the Leaf is also very well put together, and I would actually have a Leaf again over a Civic. The Civic proved a far more costly ownership experience, was less comfortable, and had worse visibility. The Leaf is the better car.

Equally you can still do long trips in the Leaf, you just need to budget in a 30 minute stop per hundred miles. Just time for a nice coffee and to get rid of the coffee you had the last time you stopped.

 

[A1X]

https://news.sky.com/story/just-sto...-after-targeting-14-london-locations-12922327

"Motorists have been filmed grabbing protesters on Marylebone Road and Cromwell Road - and swinging them to the side. Another person was seen grabbing one of the group's banners as he drove by on a motorbike."

Disgusting, plenty of footage though so I assume the Met will be feeling collars.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Disgusting, plenty of footage though so I assume the Met will be feeling collars.

Indeed. Lock them up........with their placards.