[News] Just Stop Oil

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

They aren’t interested in stopping oil. They are just interested in getting their moment of fame; causing a nuisance to people trying to get to work on time, or look at a flower show, or watch a game of snooker. Their only joy in life is being a full time professional victim. They don’t give a toss about the environment, it’s just something to protest about and take out their anger on the world.

Their sole aim is to make life that little bit more miserable for working people.

But they do think they are virtuous. Sometimes, when it's all about yourself, that's all that matters.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I’d have to have an interest in it. I think climate change is an important issue and believe we are, as a world, trying to make some decent changes. It’s not my specialist subject and I can’t change it at all so leave it to those that can and scientists who are decent and don’t have an agenda. I also have an interest in people protesting by annoying others’, stopping them working or getting medical treatment - as u think it’s ludicrously selfish.

You have to watch the debates to form opinions - your quote earlier shows you haven’t bothered as you called Morgan a ‘climate change denier’ when he’s actually the opposite. Here lies the problem - it’s all assumptions from your lot and ‘right wing press’ bollocks when you don’t actually watch the debates or listen to the actual words! Always a mind made up before watching anyone disagreeing - that’s the facts here for me with all due respect.

Whilst I think it makes sense to act swiftly and harshly to protect the environment, prioritizing this above short term finances....(shhhh!) I am unconvinced that evidence supports the idea that the species will die out because of man made climate change if we don't do all the stuff listed. Some species may become exist and many humans will die. But that's SNAFU. Without the AFU.

In much the same way I am not persuaded that if I don't brush my teeth tonight they will soon fall out. I will deffo be brushing though. And I will have a shower in the morning, and eat breakfast. Why should I select to do something ****ish just because a bloke with a beard and knitted kagoule thinks it's ****ish?

 

[nicko31]

I have no objection with people protesting, but it must not interfere with other people’s way of life , No other country would put up with 12 people blocking a highway

I’d like to see more focus on disruption of high carbon emitting activities, like private jets for example.

I did like the snooker stunt, minimal disruption, maximum publicity. Not so keen on the M25 stuff, gets people upset

 

[LamieRobertson]

The prisons are already full and don’t have enough room, plus it costs tax payers money.

There are politicians accepting donations from fuel companies who are advocating ripping up solar panels saying the land is needed for agriculture or fracking.
This ignores the fact that land is graded and solar farms are placed on fields with the lowest grade, which is only suitable for grazing sheep, and the sheep don’t mind.
Don’t believe politicians advocating anti protests until you look a bit deeper into their motives, and bank balances.

I’d like to see more focus on disruption of high carbon emitting activities, like private jets for example.

I did like the snooker stunt, minimal disruption, maximum publicity. Not so keen on the M25 stuff, gets people upset

Ah …that was by the guy who you admire judging by your earlier post ..building a career in protesting…hires himself out for a fee ..crowd funds for his legal fees and yet a very privileged upbringing …salt of the earth type…NOT

 

[Stat Brother]

I’d like to see more focus on disruption of high carbon emitting activities, like private jets for example.

I did like the snooker stunt, minimal disruption, maximum publicity. Not so keen on the M25 stuff, gets people upset

Disrupting private planes doesn't get your cause in the media.

Their actions are too polarising to change hearts and minds - which is a shame as they are right.
I agree with the principles and despite agreeing with it and appreciating the left field approach, even I still have trouble justifying the actions.

It's not going to rain for another 4 months, in our most temperate of temperate of climates, and that's not going to stop popping <3 miles to the shops, in 2ltr SUV.
An easily demonised wokist pressure group is just a nice distraction for our very right wing government to impose more tyrany.

 

[The Clamp]

While I am in two minds about people protesting at sporting or other events, it was quite amusing watching the posho’s at the CFS react when the protesters made themselves known..

“Oh for God sakes”!
“And how did you get here today”
“Get a job” etc

Always quite amusing seeing how shirty the upper crust get when their untouchable world is touched by the real world.

I’m assuming the beef with the CFS is the large carbon footprint it takes to grow and import flowers and plants?

 

[jonny.rainbow]

..you seem to have completely missed the posters point

You’ll have to explain why.

Mentioning Russia and China is a straw man argument. Just Stop Oil are not protesting against energy policies in those countries.

Unless of course you think this country should continue digging and drilling for fossil fuels purely because other countries do.

 

[Stat Brother]

While I am in two minds about people protesting at sporting or other events, it was quite amusing watching the posho’s at the CFS react when the protesters made themselves known..

“Oh for God sakes”!
“And how did you get here today”
“Get a job” etc

Always quite amusing seeing how shirty the upper crust get when their untouchable world is touched by the real world.

I’m assuming the beef with the CFS is the large carbon footprint it takes to grow and import flowers and plants?

I assumed it was a 'Shell Oil Garden', which did make me smile about Horticulturewashing.

 

[LamieRobertson]

You’ll have to explain why.

Mentioning Russia and China is a straw man argument. Just Stop Oil are not protesting against energy policies in those countries.

Unless of course you think this country should continue digging and drilling for fossil fuels purely because other countries do.

Read again….it might sink in.

I doubt these protests do anything but disrupt …and as regards to influencing people to change their minds, I doubt it does at all.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

Read again….it might sink in.

I doubt these protests do anything but disrupt …and as regards to influencing people to change their minds, I doubt it does at all.

The UK is 1% ish of global emissions. China and Russia are far,far worse. That’s the biggest problem to climate change etc.

I have read it, and I don’t see what other countries’ carbon emissions have to do with how this country chooses to provide energy in the future.

Are you suggesting UK citizens should not care about their own government’s energy policies because other countries are not committed to switching to renewable energy?

 

[Billy the Fish]

I have read it, and I don’t see what other countries’ carbon emissions have to do with how this country chooses to provide energy in the future.

Are you suggesting UK citizens should not care about their own government’s energy policies because other countries are not committed to switching to renewable energy?

That's all well and good, and it's a valid debate, but what has any of that got to do with a group of people vandalising private property and causing a nuisance to thousands of people every day?

And why are they always a mix angry middle class pensioners and 30 year old virgins/incels?

 

[worthingseagull123]

I wonder how their members were groomed to join their cult?

 

[Billy the Fish]

I wonder how their members were groomed to join their cult?

Twitter.

It's all the FBPE types that will jump on any old bandwagon if they think it's classed as a left wing cause and/or says "f*** the tories".
They live their lives in a twitter echo chamber which shields them from the reality that the vast majority of normal people (with jobs, friends and sex lives) think they're complete c**ts.

Try and talk sense to them and they just deflect by wittering on about right wing media and evil tories.

Apparently breaking the law is ok as long as all your twitter mates agree that it's ok and it fucks the tories

 

[The Clamp]

Twitter.

It's all the FBPE types that will jump on any old bandwagon if they think it's classed as a left wing cause and/or says "f*** the tories".
They live their lives in a twitter echo chamber which shields them from the reality that the vast majority of normal people (with jobs, friends and sex lives) think they're complete c**ts.

Try and talk sense to them and they just deflect by wittering on about right wing media and evil tories.

Apparently breaking the law is ok as long as all your twitter mates agree that it's ok and it fucks the tories

Odd. Dress up your hatred of the left wing as other people’s so called hatred of the right wing.

 

[The Clamp]

The demonising of these so called “lefty protestors” is designed to make gullible people think the world is turning loony left when in fact it has never been more right wing and regressive.
It’s the same with the war on woke.
All designed to cover up the drastic lurch to the right that western governments have made in the last ten years.

Many people are falling for it. And that’s why a Tory win at the next GE should not be ruled out.

 

[Flagship]

What's grown up about a Suffregette throwing themself in front of a horse?

Are you insinuating that committing suicide is grown up? How was it for the horse and the jockey?

 

[BadFish]

The thing about these stunts are that people's responses to them can make them a positive or negative influence. The way I see it is there are two sides in this, you have the oil companies and government who are colluding to make more money without giving the slightest shit about the environment or the rest of us. On the other side are some radical types who are trying whatever shit they can think of to stop the oil companies and governments f***ing us and the planet over for their own gain.

Presumably, the hoped response from the radical types is to get us thinking and talking about the pretty dire and expensive situation we find ourselves in. The Oil and government wallas would rather we didn't bother to think or talk about it. What they want us to do is spout the made-up motivations we have put on the radicals (they are just attention-seeking, professional protestors etc etc) and dismiss their actions.

The second response to these actions means that their is no benefit from the action whatsoever. The first means that although they have done something disruptive there is a net gain from what they did.

ON balance I would rather they didn't do stuff and I would rather they didn't disrupt people's lives. Having said that there is no way I'm buying into the suggested response from the right wing press and grumbling about them without considering the very worthy thing they are trying to acheive.

TL: DR - Pick a side of the planet, your tax money, and all living things, or the government, oil companies and right-wing press.

The government is spending more of your tax money on oil companies than they are on developing renewables. Are you happy with that?

Fossil fuels received £20bn more UK support than renewables since 2015

Exclusive: One-fifth of money given directly to fossil fuel industry was to support new extraction and mining

www.theguardian.com

 

[BadFish]

The demonising of these so called “lefty protestors” is designed to make gullible people think the world is turning loony left when in fact it has never been more right wing and regressive.
It’s the same with the war on woke.
All designed to cover up the drastic lurch to the right that western governments have made in the last ten years.

Many people are falling for it. And that’s why a Tory win at the next GE should not be ruled out.

People lap that shit up.

And who is it that wants everyone talking about this shit?

Lee Anderson says Tories should fight election on ‘culture wars’

Party no longer has ‘great ingredients’ like Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn, says deputy chairman

www.independent.co.uk

How is someone who holds the electorate in such contempt still in a job?

 

[Stat Brother]

It's about time they changed the direction of their attack and joined my pressure group:-

Just Stop Drive Thru's.

An absolute abomination of an idea that promotes pointless car use, engine idling and distracted eating drivers (of which I count myself as one)

 

[Randy McNob]

I’d have to have an interest in it. I think climate change is an important issue and believe we are, as a world, trying to make some decent changes. It’s not my specialist subject and I can’t change it at all so leave it to those that can and scientists who are decent and don’t have an agenda. I also have an interest in people protesting by annoying others’, stopping them working or getting medical treatment - as i think it’s ludicrously selfish.

You have to watch the debates to form opinions - your quote earlier shows you haven’t bothered as you called Morgan a ‘climate change denier’ when he’s actually the opposite. Here lies the problem - it’s all assumptions from your lot and ‘right wing press’ bollocks when you don’t actually watch the debates or listen to the actual words! Always a mind made up before watching anyone disagreeing - that’s the facts here for me with all due respect.

I think we're quite far apart here, I did watch the first clip which was just a pointless argument rather than an objective debate, but everyone knows Piers Morgan is a Murdoch stooge who is paid to peddle a right wing agenda which includes climate change scepticism, so it adds nothing valuable to the national debate. But it's not just this silly channel but the entire media output, like Jeremy Vine, GMB, BBC. They will have on one side an expert on climate change and on the other side a climate sceptic so the debate quickly turns into whether climate change even exists which is completely pointless, but these blohards are just more Murdoch stooges paid to infultrate the media outlets, muddy the water and portray themselves as the voice of the majority when they are actually the voice of the big oil and energy corps - those corps who made billions in profits while the rest of us had our bills go up 6 fold.

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