Just how awful is this government? June 2020 edition

[nicko31]

Interestingly he didn't wait when pulling us out of Lockdown 2 and did it far too early - resulting in the last minute Christmas fiasco and a longer Lockdown 3.

Pubs and restaurants in December was a very bad idea, the numbers were still high. Four countries in Europe did this, UK, Ireland, Spain and Portugal, for all of them it went bad

Christmas was a catastrophe even if it was pulled at the last minute, it was so obvious for anyone with half a brain. January has seen a third of all hospitalisations

Praying for extreme caution is taken from here, there is little at end of the tunnel but we're still in it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

YouGov wouldnt have got where it is if it only produced bias polls favouring the founder's interests.

Cronyism assures any company will continue.

 

[nicko31]

We knew one year ago that Covid came into this country with a doctor in Hove. He self isolated immediately, and his surgery in Hollingbury closed for two weeks.
Johnson didn't bother going to Cobra meetings
Operation Cygnus was ignored so hospitals were woefully underprepared for handling epidemics let alone a pandemic.
Four weeks later the Liverpool match, and Cheltenham still went ahead. Johnson himself boasted about going into hospital shaking people's hands.
Patients were shipped out of hospitals without any testing into care and nursing homes causing death tolls to soar.
Test and trace was farmed out to a private company who made a complete hash of it.
Eat out to help out helped spread the virus even further.
21000 people landing at Heathrow alone without even getting a temperature check.
PPE contracts were handed out to companies who had no experience of making it and some had to be ditched.
The head of test and trace admitted she didn't realise that viruses mutate.
etc etc etc

And that was just Part One...

 

[Chicken Run]

And that was just Part One...

Don’t forget Cummingsgate, is that part two....


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[nicko31]

Don’t forget Cummingsgate, is that part two....


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Definitely part one, but the consequences of this were more part two. Should he have got 10 years?

 

[beorhthelm]

The root of our performance is poor governance, Johnson has acted too late throughout, ignored experts and failed to take the hard decisions when he needed to and instead waited until decisions were made are easy. Its been a theme from the very start

We knew one year ago that Covid came into this country with a doctor in Hove. He self isolated immediately, and his surgery in Hollingbury closed for two weeks.
Johnson didn't bother going to Cobra meetings
Operation Cygnus was ignored so hospitals were woefully underprepared for handling epidemics let alone a pandemic.
Four weeks later the Liverpool match, and Cheltenham still went ahead. Johnson himself boasted about going into hospital shaking people's hands.
Patients were shipped out of hospitals without any testing into care and nursing homes causing death tolls to soar.
Test and trace was farmed out to a private company who made a complete hash of it.
Eat out to help out helped spread the virus even further.
21000 people landing at Heathrow alone without even getting a temperature check.
PPE contracts were handed out to companies who had no experience of making it and some had to be ditched.
The head of test and trace admitted she didn't realise that viruses mutate.
etc etc etc

yes, we've established many faults. the question was what are the correct policies that would have both saved lives and the economy.

interesting noting Operation Cygnus, PPE and Track and Trace, they are related. if PHE had done its job properly, certainly would have helped.

 

[nicko31]

In other news didn't realise Priti P was such an animal lover

Seems reviewing the law on dog theft, currently up to 7 years and running off with a labradoddle. Clearly not enough...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Definitely part one, but the consequences of this were more part two. Should he have got 10 years?

Former Chief Crown Prosecutor Nazir Afzal

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[Thunder Bolt]

Fair point, the poll is accurate as any others

 

[Chicken Run]

Definitely part one, but the consequences of this were more part two. Should he have got 10 years?

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[WATFORD zero]

Best and most accurate documentary on the comings and goings at Westminster ever (but with less bad language)

 

[vegster]

so which way do we want to analyse this. if there was more strict lockdown there may have been fewer deaths (speculative) with more impact to GDP. if we have less restrictions and kept more economy running would have been better GDP but at cost of more deaths.

assuming government simply made a hash of everything and ended up with worst of both worlds, what is the goldilocks set of policies that would have minimised death rate whilst least impact on GDP?

There is no Goldilocks position that would work for both. But, going hard on the virus early would have meant we might not have needed 3 lockdowns and the economy could have bounced back quicker.

The countries that did go hard and early have lower death tolls, infection rates and a working and effective track and trace system. For instance, lowly little Vietnam have had only 2,142 cases and just 35 fatalities.

 

[beorhthelm]

There is no Goldilocks position that would work for both. But, going hard on the virus early would have meant we might not have needed 3 lockdowns and the economy could have bounced back quicker.

The countries that did go hard and early have lower death tolls, infection rates and a working and effective track and trace system. For instance, lowly little Vietnam have had only 2,142 cases and just 35 fatalities.

true, though going hard would require restrictions we're generally not prepared to accept even now. will have to look further into how Vietnam has weather the crisis.

 

[nicko31]

true, though going hard would require restrictions we're still not prepared to accept even now. will have to look further into how Vietnam has weather the crisis.

When you say "we're" who are you referring to?

Most of the public would accept tougher restrictions even now, for example quarantining all incoming UK nationals

The ones that have resisted restrictions is a vocal minority in parliament and a section of the press (like the PM's former employer) that have had a scepticism towards lockdowns from the start.

 

[vegster]

true, though going hard would require restrictions we're generally not prepared to accept even now. will have to look further into how Vietnam has weather the crisis.

Yes, we famously push the envelope of any rules and regs almost as a badge of honour and one-upmanship. I went over some of the stats by country and Vietnam stands out as pretty worldbeating by having so few cases and fatalities, you would not really assume them to be high up in terms of their health service and their population is almost 100 Million too ! So, how come this huge disparity ? Very strange.

 

[vegster]

When you say "we're" who are you referring to?

Most of the public would accept tougher restrictions even now, for example quarantining all incoming UK nationals

The ones that have resisted restrictions is a vocal minority in parliament and a section of the press (like the PM's former employer) that have had a scepticism towards lockdowns from the start.

The attitude of Dominic Cummings put paid to many peoples respect of lockdown.... all the vox pops were " well if he can bloody well do it, so can I "

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes, we famously push the envelope of any rules and regs almost as a badge of honour and one-upmanship. I went over some of the stats by country and Vietnam stands out as pretty worldbeating by having so few cases and fatalities, you would not really assume them to be high up in terms of their health service and their population is almost 100 Million too ! So, how come this huge disparity ? Very strange.

New Zealand fared well as well. It's almost as if an island nation could restrict travelers without tests.

 

[beorhthelm]

When you say "we're" who are you referring to?

society. im sure most would support air travel quarantine and such restriction, until it affected them. most are reluctantly staying at home, while a lot of people are ignoring the rules. its not just secret drinking clubs or illegal marriage receptions, its people popping round their friends and family.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Cronyism assures any company will continue.

Any evidence that YouGov has any pro-Tory bias yet?

 

[Baker lite]

Any evidence that YouGov has any pro-Tory bias yet?

Still worrying me, looking at the poll, shocking that 36% of the UK is anti Semitic, advocates illegal immigration and fully support modern day slavery.


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