This, from the prize bell end that's posted over 3,400 times since last July. And not one of those posts has added anything to the board. Nothing. If you really are a Wizard, do us all a favour and just f***ing disappear.
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This, from the prize bell end that's posted over 3,400 times since last July. And not one of those posts has added anything to the board. Nothing. If you really are a Wizard, do us all a favour and just f***ing disappear.
Poyet is a novice manager, who is cutting his teeth with a struggling side. All rookies make mistakes and you judge them on how quickly they learn from these mistakes.
IMHO Poyet had two major tasks when he joined us.
1)To build the team from the back, creating a defensive unit, that was tight, minimised mistakes, worked together and concentrated on the job in hand for the whole game.
2)To change the mindset for home matches. To rid the club of this negativity and create a winning platform.
To date, he has failed on both tasks. Yes, we are conceding fewer goals ( not difficult ) but we still haven't got the right blend at the back. Too many mistakes are costing us games and points.
Two points out of twenty one at home ( sorry, not listening to..." we have played all the top teams and been really unlucky " )answers no.2.
Throw in dressing room unrest, which has not been sorted out and you will see that Gus still has to earn a lot of brownie points for me.
IMHO Poyet had two major tasks when he joined us.
1)To build the team from the back, creating a defensive unit, that was tight, minimised mistakes, worked together and concentrated on the job in hand for the whole game.
2)To change the mindset for home matches. To rid the club of this negativity and create a winning platform.
To date, he has failed on both tasks. Yes, we are conceding fewer goals ( not difficult ) but we still haven't got the right blend at the back. Too many mistakes are costing us games and points.
Two points out of twenty one at home ( sorry, not listening to..." we have played all the top teams and been really unlucky " )answers no.2.
Throw in dressing room unrest, which has not been sorted out and you will see that Gus still has to earn a lot of brownie points for me.
The Wizard
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Jimmy Grimble
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All the new threads on here, with exception of mine and the one by Scotty Mac, have been banging on about what a good job Gus is doing, how good it is to see someone having the balls to get rid of the shit, etc etc, with numerous posts about us needing to have 'patience', Gus 'obviously having someone lined up', "needing 4 years to have us in the Championship" and "being the best manager we've had since Wilkins" etc etc.
Well done to Gus........... - North Stand Chat
Criticism of Poyet - North Stand Chat
To all the twats on this board! - North Stand Chat
Should we just sack Poyet now? - North Stand Chat
All threads telling people to stick by Poyet and not to be negative, without much balance.
Still, don't let that get in the way of your continual attempt to put down my threads, something which for some odd reason you seem to thrive off.
There is balance within the threads. The Dickinson one being a prime example - people split on whether its correct or not. The first thread you have highlighted was started after yours, so that's a bit void! The other 3 fair enough, but then there is your thread, Scotty Mac's thread and these criticising Poyet/players: The Forster issue is sending us down. - North Stand Chat Elphick SURELY told his marker to stop?? - North Stand Chat
Tactics yesterday - North Stand Chat
What a load of... - North Stand Chat
There is balance within the debate. If you did a poll on whether people think Poyet's recent decisions have been good or not it'd be pretty even, I'm sure.
Unfortunately for you there is no such 'continual attempt to put down your threads' as much as you'd like there to be; other people maybe have, but I haven't. In fact, try and find examples, I'd be amazed if there are any on my behalf other than ones from a very long time ago.
So carry on playing up to your NSC identity of being ' the miserable one' you quite clearly do get a kick out of it!
hitony
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All the new threads on here, with exception of mine and the one by Scotty Mac, have been banging on about what a good job Gus is doing, how good it is to see someone having the balls to get rid of the shit, etc etc, with numerous posts about us needing to have 'patience', Gus 'obviously having someone lined up', "needing 4 years to have us in the Championship" and "being the best manager we've had since Wilkins" etc etc.
Well done to Gus........... - North Stand Chat
Criticism of Poyet - North Stand Chat
To all the twats on this board! - North Stand Chat
Should we just sack Poyet now? - North Stand Chat
All threads telling people to stick by Poyet and not to be negative, without much balance.
Still, don't let that get in the way of your continual attempt to put down my threads, something which for some odd reason you seem to thrive off.
I am not pretending that I have read all the above threads, or indeed the post's contained within them, but I think that as this is a Football message board, there will always be a differance of opinion as to what is right and what is wrong, even more so when a team is not doing it's best, and when there is a change in the staff, albeit that change, is players or backroom staff, or management.
Withdean Wanderer
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Fair enough. Within those threads there aren't people telling you how to react to Poyet though.
Also, when I do a thread, there's sadly a load of dullards willing to jump on it, that's half the problem.
I don't really play up to an identity, just enjoy football debate. I'm usually quite good at that.
However, can't be arsed with all the predictable knobs who respond though just to follow the other sheep and slag me off.
Jimmy Grimble
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Yeah, not denying you can spark a good debate; I just dont think the whole general negative approach helps your image - i.e. being the first to castigate Poyet after the match, and the 'we'll lose' sort of thing - obviously annoys people, and that's why you'll get the 'sheeps' and 'dullards' as you call them (not sure that will do you any favours either!)
The Wizard
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My main problem with you WW is that I have NEVER seen you post anything remotely positive, its all just moan, moan and a bit more moaning.
Withdean Wanderer
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If figure it is easier to play up to things than accept them and end up getting pissed off by it!
Withdean Wanderer
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Fair sure you were involved in the threads where I was praising Alan Navarro the other week, but believe what you want to believe...
The Wizard
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If you count praising one player as positive then fair enough (though in all honesty I think thats just you trying to keep your controversial figure up, because at the time he wasn't liked by many of our fans), also, are you sure your not just one of those people who enjoys moaning more than praising people.
One other problem I have with you is that you enjoy our players failing just so you can boost your ego and say 'hahaha I was right about him he is shit'.
Reinelt12
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WW - When i started my "Criticsm of Poyet" thread, it was to offer a balanced view... I state he has made mistakes, but i also put some of the positives in there too...
There was opinion in there mixed with fact, and i don't see why you have decided to pick on this thread among others to support your views... am i not allowed to also state my own point of view?
There was opinion in there mixed with fact, and i don't see why you have decided to pick on this thread among others to support your views... am i not allowed to also state my own point of view?
In your case yes.
Chesney Christ
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I'm sure you are a reasonable person, and not as negative as you come off on here, but as mentioned above you do seem to take a strange joy in the team's/certain players failings at times.
For example (and I hate to come back to this) the thread you started about Gary Dicker seemed to take a bizarre pleasure in seeing one of the season's few good players have a bad game. I don't understand why you would take so much pleasure in his "failure" when surely as an Albion fan you want ALL our players to play well ALL the time.
I think thats what gets people's goat, rather than just the whole "you're too negative" thing that people say which I don't believe to be entirely accurate.
pishhead
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That is it really in a nutshell. This season has been a disaster the same as last season so to expect a deluge of positivity would be plain wrong, however I think most people seem to sense that we are moving in the right direction hence the heated debate seen here in recent weeks.
Why?
Do I have to have played at a higher level than the Mid Sussex Junior A League to be a football supporter?
Sorry, you are saying you are a football supporter?!!
Tom Hark Preston Park
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Yup, fair assessment IMHO. Occasional good points, very well made, but buried in the unrelenting torrent of negativity.
mona
The Glory Game
It's not a matter of praising Poyet, I am very concerned with the way things have gone in the last few weeks. It's just that many of us, myself included, have criticised our last five managers and it doesn't seem to have done any good.
McGhee was criticised because he seemed to have lost interest and couldn't persuade Jabo Ibehre to sign. Wilkins was criticised for his negative tactics at home which brought a lot of single goal home wins. Adams was criticised for bringing in players like McLeod and Thornton who had a bad attitude. Slade was criticised for spending a large amount of money and taking the team backwards.
The point is that the team have under-achieved for a long time with the exception of the Wilkins season when we did well despite losing Hammond halfway through. The question is why did two teams who spent money in the summer, Swindon and Brighton, end up at opposite ends of the table. I don't have an answer.
McGhee was criticised because he seemed to have lost interest and couldn't persuade Jabo Ibehre to sign. Wilkins was criticised for his negative tactics at home which brought a lot of single goal home wins. Adams was criticised for bringing in players like McLeod and Thornton who had a bad attitude. Slade was criticised for spending a large amount of money and taking the team backwards.
The point is that the team have under-achieved for a long time with the exception of the Wilkins season when we did well despite losing Hammond halfway through. The question is why did two teams who spent money in the summer, Swindon and Brighton, end up at opposite ends of the table. I don't have an answer.
B)....
could it possibly be that poyet was giving dickinson his last chance to prove himself before he shipped him out? he didn't have the best of games & murray looked lively when he came on for him, meaning that it was unlikely dickinson would keep his place in the following game.
D)...
as far as we are aware, poyet has only 'fallen out' with 1 player - forster. that is totally acceptable given forster's (or his agent's) demands. even if you accepted the rumours of fall outs with dickinson or cox i think mcghee managed at least double that amount of fall outs, so he's not quite at that stage yet!!
and yes... a new manager should be given time before people start getting on his back or we will make no progress what so ever! (A)
hope that helps!
could it possibly be that poyet was giving dickinson his last chance to prove himself before he shipped him out? he didn't have the best of games & murray looked lively when he came on for him, meaning that it was unlikely dickinson would keep his place in the following game.
D)...
as far as we are aware, poyet has only 'fallen out' with 1 player - forster. that is totally acceptable given forster's (or his agent's) demands. even if you accepted the rumours of fall outs with dickinson or cox i think mcghee managed at least double that amount of fall outs, so he's not quite at that stage yet!!
and yes... a new manager should be given time before people start getting on his back or we will make no progress what so ever! (A)
hope that helps!
Does gus hate whites?
a reverse Mcghee?
a reverse Mcghee?