Johnson's Brexit - BRINO, or No deal

[Pretty pink fairy]

Cheer up chaps you've still got your EHIC for a little while yet
Regards
DF

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Cheer up chaps you've still got your EHIC for a little while yet
Regards
DF

Something tells me that you have a Habsburg jaw.

 

[A1X]

I can see the EU ( The arch manipulators, governors by decree, unelected etc etc) saying something along the lines of " This Covid shit is crap for all of us, but, even worse for you Brits, so, as its going to be so much worse for you than for us, we will extend the transition period for a year while you get your shit together.... FOC "..... Will Johnson take the offered hand though? He will have to turn it down though because " Brexit means Brexit "

Agreed. What most sides want more than anything is to avoid being seen as the guilty party when the talks do collapse. This gives the EU (who have always had the upper hand in this regard) the ultimate ace in the pack, as if Johnson refuses it's 100% on him, and he cannot make the gambit the other way with any credibility.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Agreed. What most sides want more than anything is to avoid being seen as the guilty party when the talks do collapse. This gives the EU (who have always had the upper hand in this regard) the ultimate ace in the pack, as if Johnson refuses it's 100% on him, and he cannot make the gambit the other way with any credibility.

Which is why he'll fold and go BRINO. As each day passes without any tarmac being laid, any staff recruited, any IT infrastructure or systems delivered, it becomes more and more obvious.

Obviously not to a large number of our Brexit supporting friends on NSC, but to the EU negotiators, it does

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Kent permit for all vehicles above 7.5 tons required , computer system in place by December , taking back control , chin up chaps
Regards
DF

 

[Is it PotG?]

Which is why he'll fold and go BRINO. As each day passes without any tarmac being laid, any staff recruited, any IT infrastructure or systems delivered, it becomes more and more obvious.

Obviously not to a large number of our Brexit supporting friends on NSC, but to the EU negotiators, it does

You really are a glass half-empty chap, Watford GAP.

It can't be much fun out there.

 

[WATFORD zero]

You really are a glass half-empty chap, Watford GAP.

It can't be much fun out there.

I'm perfectly happy thanks.

And what does a glass half-full kind of person believe they voted for 4.5 years ago and got 'delivered' 12 months ago (the three options are there at the top).

I see you haven't voted yet. Do you still not know, care or understand ?

 

[Randy McNob]

In this context there is no glass or contents, you have imagine there is a glass and imagine it's half full, and someone is standing in front of you with a can of piss telling you itś a glass of milk

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I'm perfectly happy thanks.

And what does a glass half-full kind of person believe they voted for 4.5 years ago and got 'delivered' 12 months ago (the three options are there at the top).

I see you haven't voted yet. Do you still not know, care or understand ?

Of course you are
Regards
DF

 

[beorhthelm]

Agreed. What most sides want more than anything is to avoid being seen as the guilty party when the talks do collapse. This gives the EU (who have always had the upper hand in this regard) the ultimate ace in the pack, as if Johnson refuses it's 100% on him, and he cannot make the gambit the other way with any credibility.

its not all one way. the fishery issue is quite difficult for some EU nations at home. would they carry on fishing, illegally, UK waters? would expect so, tres awkward though. there is talk of a glimmer of movement our side on state-aid, which might lead to a sensible agreement. there's also the suggestion of a "skinny" deal, covering trade and majority of chapters agreed, with the contentious issues left for later. in other words an extension but not called that.

what both sides need is for the other side not to shout about a victory, rather a reluctant compromise give the circumstances blah blah. they can then sell that without the other pouring cold water on it. triumphalism is biggest risk, then we default no deal.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

its not all one way. the fishery issue is quite difficult for some EU nations at home. would they carry on fishing, illegally, UK waters? would expect so, tres awkward though. there is talk of a glimmer of movement our side on state-aid, which might lead to a sensible agreement. there's also the suggestion of a "skinny" deal, covering trade and majority of chapters agreed, with the contentious issues left for later. in other words an extension but not called that.

what both sides need is for the other side not to shout about a victory, rather a reluctant compromise give the circumstances blah blah. they can then sell that without the other pouring cold water on it. triumphalism is biggest risk, then we default no deal.

With a bit of reluctance I agree that this sounds the most likely outcome. A diluted wishwash of a deal which will make us only a little bit poorer year on year while removing the life chances of other people's children who had apparently dreamt of being citizens of a wonderful continent rather than just a part of the British Isles.

The Daily Express will shout Triumph! and the deluded will believe it.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

With a bit of reluctance I agree that this sounds the most likely outcome. A diluted wishwash of a deal which will make us only a little bit poorer year on year while removing the life chances of other people's children who had apparently dreamt of being citizens of a wonderful continent rather than just a part of the British Isles.

The Daily Express will shout Triumph! and the deluded will believe it.

And people like you will still be moaning check, change , go
Regards
DF

 

[WATFORD zero]

its not all one way. the fishery issue is quite difficult for some EU nations at home. would they carry on fishing, illegally, UK waters? would expect so, tres awkward though. there is talk of a glimmer of movement our side on state-aid, which might lead to a sensible agreement. there's also the suggestion of a "skinny" deal, covering trade and majority of chapters agreed, with the contentious issues left for later. in other words an extension but not called that.

what both sides need is for the other side not to shout about a victory, rather a reluctant compromise give the circumstances blah blah. they can then sell that without the other pouring cold water on it. triumphalism is biggest risk, then we default no deal.

Some good points

Fisheries was always the one area that we had a good starting negotiating position and the EU looked weak. However, when you actually look at the figures, although it appears a strong position, it is an area with far less significance than it initially appears.

0.12% of GDP, less than 0.1% of employment, a tiny industry, similar in size to the UK Timber industry. Video games contributes more and employs twice as many while Computer and electronic hardware manufacture contributes 4 times as much, computer programming alone contributing 50 times as much.

We import 83% of our Cod and 58% of our Haddock.
Our main catch, Herring is 93% exported.
Overall, we import 70% of what we eat and export 80% of what we catch, mainly to and from the EU.

Although a 'no deal' would certainly harm the EU on fisheries, there is a case for saying that even in that area, we would suffer as much. (Unless we all get an insatiable taste for Herring overnight )

And I agree I wouldn't put it past Johnson to 'extend' again (and of course, it wouldn't be called that) but the hilarity will be the same

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Good post. A mate of mine, bit of a character, was all in favour of Brexit because he'd bought the trope about red tape (not actually believing the sqare apple and straight banana bollocks, but nevertheless angry about 'unelected officials'). He is now rather sheepish about his former stance and can't see anything beyond things getting much worse once we have left (and we don't leave till the end of the year, I should mention, in case some thicko I have on ignore bleats that we have already left).

Unless my pension is snatched I'll be personally fine after Brexit so I'm not arguing from self interest. Given Boris never favoured Brexit till he decided it would suit his ambitions to back 'leave', and given that he realised correctly that the only way to leave would be without a deal (because no rational person in any negotiation 'task force' could square the circle) and let circumstances set the new arrangements, much as Das Reich has always argued in his minimalist grunty fashion, I can only assume that Boris sees Covid as the equivalent as a good splash of Brut aftershave after a massive fart (in the hope it will cover the embarrassment). The effectiveness depends on how long we find ourselves embarrassed of course.

Even if I were as venal and unscrupulous as Boris I'd nevertheless be thinking that Covid means it may be best to kick the Brexit can down the road yet again, despite having painted himself into a corner over deadlines. The EU have a history of backtracking so regardless of what they have said they may well agree to an indefinite extension of the status quo till Covid is finally controlled. If asked.

Alternatively Boris could go bold and open up the country to 'normality' with all efforts focused on protecting the old and others at risk of death from Covid. That would be the smart move. Kick start the economy before the rest of Europe, making us strong when we leave with no deal at the end of the year, hastening real lasting deals that favour our position.

However, sadly for us, he has dithered like the craven fool he is, and now it is too late. Too late to do a Covid U turn and be innovative, decisive and leader-ish. Instead he is simply hoping for the best, introducing new almost random restrictions while mumbling about the need to get back to normal for the sake of the economy. What a cluster****. But who expected any better from this clown? Only people I have on ignore, it would seem as I can't remember the last time I read something favourable about Boris. Even JCFG has vanished.

Johnson is so venal I suspect he's rubbing his hands together in the realisation that the Covid crisis might hide the Brexit crisis. He's painted himself into a Brexit corner from which there is no escape - even if he wanted to. Yes, it could have been the rope ladder to some sort of sanity, but he chose not to climb it.
I'd be delighted to be proved wrong!

 

[nicko31]

Johnson is so venal I suspect he's rubbing his hands together in the realisation that the Covid crisis might hide the Brexit crisis. He's painted himself into a Brexit corner from which there is no escape - even if he wanted to. Yes, it could have been the rope ladder to some sort of sanity, but he chose not to climb it.
I'd be delighted to be proved wrong!

Johnson thinks covid is the perfect cover for Brexit, in reality we'll be desperate for a deal than ever. Covid is killing half economy, Brexit could kill the other half

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Cheer up chaps you've still got your EHIC for a little while yet
Regards
DF

I have world wide international private health care (with winter sports included). Think I’ll be fine. But thanks for your concern.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I have world wide international private health care (with winter sports included). Think I’ll be fine. But thanks for your concern.

i'll sleep easy with that knowledge
regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Just to let you know chaps we don't need permission to leave the EU on the 31st of December........... WE'VE ALREADY LEFT
regards
DF

 

[A1X]

Just to let you know chaps we don't need permission to leave the EU on the 31st of December........... WE'VE ALREADY LEFT

This is one of those "Pretty pink fairy" post generators, isn't it? Stick a load of random words together with no relevance to the subject at hand and BAM.

 

[rogersix]

Just to let you know chaps we don't need permission to leave the EU on the 31st of December........... WE'VE ALREADY LEFT
regards
DF

baz! so what's your take on the edl attacking the english cops on that sunny sunday in london?