[Politics] Johnson to quit as PM early next year?

[Kalimantan Gull]

We can all say hooray, and be pleased he's going, but really, where the sense of duty to the country here? Being PM is an honour, the ultimate position in which to serve the country, and yet its like he's got a notch on his bedpost and now wants to move on to something else.

He's leading the country during one of our toughest periods as a nation and he should knuckle down and do the job the best he can rather than trying to create more turmoil through yet another leadership election and inevitable change of course. This isn't the time to quit.

 

[blue-shifted]

Brighton isn't the rest of the country .....................................

Well yes. this is a messageboard for people who support .... Brighton .......... unsurprisingly many of those people come from ...well ..... Brighton ... so they often share views prevalent in .... you've guessed it ... Brighton

 

[blue-shifted]

We can all say hooray, and be pleased he's going, but really, where the sense of duty to the country here? Being PM is an honour, the ultimate position in which to serve the country, and yet its like he's got a notch on his bedpost and now wants to move on to something else.

He's leading the country during one of our toughest periods as a nation and he should knuckle down and do the job the best he can rather than trying to create more turmoil through yet another leadership election and inevitable change of course. This isn't the time to quit.

I'm not totally sure you've been paying much attention. Boris Johnson is the Prime Minister

The last leader was dutiful and knuckled down, maybe you're thinking of her. They ditched her

 

[Simster]

Because we certainly wouldn't want to go into that without a hard working, honest, proven leader to negotiate our way through it, leading from the front and uniting the country

He's right though. Every remainer should want Johnson to own it because we believe he campaigned for it, he led the lies, he should own the problem he created. Every leaver should also want someone who campaigned for leave to own the process and not just run away when the hard bit starts.

Personally I think he's an incompetent disgrace who has no backbone and he will abandon number 10 as soon as he realises he's been found out as a charlatan who sold an impossible dream and couldn't deliver anything like the deal he promised. We will then be lumbered with Michael Gove, another proven born liar.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

These threads are dominated by lefties - who lose every election. Any explanation?

Explain why we lose every election? Perhaps because (a) naturally left leaning voters are less likely to vote, ie the young (b) because many older middle class voters may actually ideologically agree with many of the policies of the left but socially and culturally associate with the tories (c) because the left is a loose coalition of many groups that is hard to keep together in elections - working class, liberals, socialists and centre left moderates - takes a special set of circumstances to get them all to turn out and vote for one party (d) the first past the post system favours the tories with the left of centre vote split between 3 parties (4 in Scotland and Wales) and (e) the left is quite bad at getting its case across, usually relying on facts and numbers whereas the right presents more emotional arguments that resonate and supercede facts.

 

[WATFORD zero]

He's right though. Every remainer should want Johnson to own it because we believe he campaigned for it, he led the lies, he should own the problem he created. Every leaver should also want someone who campaigned for leave to own the process and not just run away when the hard bit starts.

Personally I think he's an incompetent disgrace who has no backbone and he will abandon number 10 as soon as he realises he's been found out as a charlatan who sold an impossible dream and couldn't deliver anything like the deal he promised. We will then be lumbered with Michael Gove, another proven born liar.

We'll be lucky if he owns it for 6 months. For the next 20+ years after that, the result of Johnson's few months as Prime Minister will be 'owned' by the few million poor ******** who always end up 'owning' the results of politicians' cock-ups. What makes it worse this time is that unfortunately, a significant percentage will have bought it on themselves.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Well yes. this is a messageboard for people who support .... Brighton .......... unsurprisingly many of those people come from ...well ..... Brighton ... so they often share views prevalent in .... you've guessed it ... Brighton

Exactly my point. The political threads will be dominated by left wing, remaining people's. Brighton is very out of step with the rest of the UK on this though.

 

[blue-shifted]

Exactly my point. The political threads will be dominated by left wing, remaining people's. Brighton is very out of step with the rest of the UK on this though.

Not the rest of the UK no.

I could name a dozen cities which similar views would prevail.

Britain is divided in a number of ways. It's divided between nations, regions, between towns and cities, rural and urban, old and young, university educated v non university educated, by people who mainly consume print media or media. This culture war definitely isn't between Brighton and the rest of the UK.

On the other hand one journalist I like put it very well at the height of the pandemic. He said, "there are no leavers or remainers any more .. just living people and dead people" Stuck in my mind

 

[Mellotron]

We can all say hooray, and be pleased he's going, but really, where the sense of duty to the country here? Being PM is an honour, the ultimate position in which to serve the country, and yet its like he's got a notch on his bedpost and now wants to move on to something else.

He's leading the country during one of our toughest periods as a nation and he should knuckle down and do the job the best he can rather than trying to create more turmoil through yet another leadership election and inevitable change of course. This isn't the time to quit.

Welcome to how Boris Johnson works.

 

[jamie (not that one)]

Yeh, anyone who thinks Boris will be replaced by someone they can get behind are in for a horrible shock. They've all been booted out

I said exactly the same when people were baying for May to go

 

[wellquickwoody]

Explain why we lose every election? Perhaps because (a) naturally left leaning voters are less likely to vote, ie the young (b) because many older middle class voters may actually ideologically agree with many of the policies of the left but socially and culturally associate with the tories (c) because the left is a loose coalition of many groups that is hard to keep together in elections - working class, liberals, socialists and centre left moderates - takes a special set of circumstances to get them all to turn out and vote for one party (d) the first past the post system favours the tories with the left of centre vote split between 3 parties (4 in Scotland and Wales) and (e) the left is quite bad at getting its case across, usually relying on facts and numbers whereas the right presents more emotional arguments that resonate and supercede facts.

A. Whose problem is that?

B. Drivel

C. Then get together?

D. See C

E. So do the same.

 

[Mellotron]

Exactly my point. The political threads will be dominated by left wing, remaining people's. Brighton is very out of step with the rest of the UK on this though.

I think "very out of step" is a bit of an overstatement. Brexit won by a pretty narrow margin overall, and polls do suggest that if the vote was held again, it may have swung the other way in the face of fresh evidence and reality coming to bear.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Sounds about right that BJ may well be out on his ear in PM Cummings' next cabinet reshuffle. And he can play the COVID card anytime, which is handy

 

[jamie (not that one)]

I think "very out of step" is a bit of an overstatement. Brexit won by a pretty narrow margin overall, and polls do suggest that if the vote was held again, it may have swung the other way in the face of fresh evidence and reality coming to bear.

Are you trying to say there were some lies made during the referendum campaign?!!

 

[Mellotron]

Are you trying to say there were some lies made during the referendum campaign?!!

I wouldn't dream of suggesting such a thing...

 

[Is it PotG?]

Are you trying to say there were some lies made during the referendum campaign?!!

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[Kalimantan Gull]

Welcome to how Boris Johnson works.

Well obviously, and we all knew this, so my post was largely rhetorical. Just frustrates the hell out of me - and I guess I always try and see the best in people, and have confidence that they change for the better and take things seriously

 

[jamie (not that one)]

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How long until this thread is cast into the bear pit?

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

A. Whose problem is that?

B. Drivel

C. Then get together?

D. See C

E. So do the same.

A. The lefts problem, obviously

B. Please keep this civil, we're doing well to keep this out of the bear pit. I don't think it is drivel because often when you see polls like 'do you want to see more funding in the nhs', 'do you think teachers should be paid more', 'should environmental protections be strengthened to prevent building on green spaces', 'should there be more investment in the railways' - you see 60-70% in favour, maybe more, but then the parties espousing these policies get 45-50% in the election. So that differential comes from somewhere, and anecdotally its people like my parents that seem to want everything the left offers but then vote Conservative, because they think Labour is a party of the socialist worker and trade unions and as hardworking middle class who took advantage of the opportunities offered under Thatcher they associate with the conservatives and see the political divide in simple class terms between the working class and middle class. They also place value on perceived 'competence' ahead of policies. (I'm sure you can make similar arguments the other way, that people will vote the way their friends, neighbours and co workers vote, regardless of whether their vote truly represents their political beliefs and personal wellbeing)

C - they're disparate groups. The working class didn't like Corbyn, the liberals abandoned Brown, the socialists fell out with Blair, the centre-left couldn't stomach Miliband

D - an alternative vote or proportional representation voting system would better reflect the political views of this nation, as seen in 2019 when the Tories got one MP per 38,000 votes, Labour one per 50,000 votes, the libdems one per 330,000 votes, the Greens one per 850,000 votes and the Brexit Party didn't get any despite 650,000 votes. I don't think that's right at all in a representative democracy.

E - yes, they should. To be honest this is a really interesting feature of human nature that I'm learning more about, that some people are naturally more analytical and look at things from a factual basis, and they tend to be in the left of the political spectrum and others are naturally more emotional and get swayed by emotional arguments that appeal to their senses, and they tend to be on the right of the political spectrum. Hence fake news and fact-checking websites and all these things that seem to play everything bare and yet poor society is still split largely down the middle. (I think this point goes back to point B above)

 

[zefarelly]

not a chance - far too big an ego to let his dream job go after such a short time. Strap yourself in - we are in for a long haul.

people like BJ and DT never volluntarily quite high office, they're the classic examples of post tortoise.