[Politics] Johnson Enquiry - The poll

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UK PM's former adviser confirms Johnson said "let the bodies pile high"

Boris Johnson's former adviser Dominic Cummings confirmed on Wednesday that he had heard the prime minister say "let the bodies pile high" when discussing whether he should lock down Britain again late last year.

www.reuters.com

Take your choice on who is the biggest liar....

ta! i want to believe it so i will

 

[The Clamp]

is there any evidence that anyone actually said, “let the bodies pile high”

Possibly not

 

[Lever]

Absolute biassed prejudiced rubbish! We all know you hated Brexit (as do most of NSC), but Covid, and the Government's handling of a crisis with no precedent has absolutelu nothing, zilch, zero to do with Brexit.
Would Corbyn have handled it better? - no.
Would Caroline Lucas have handled it better? - no.
Would the massed legions of non-racist, non-homophobic, non-xenophobic leavers have handled it better? - no.
Did the EU/Brussels/the rest of the world handle it better? - no - and don't come back with New Zealand and/or Australia as an example; being seperated by hundreds of miles of ocean from the rest of the world makes it a totally different ball game, a luxury the British government didn't have.

.....and yes, mistakes were made in dealing with Covid.

On what do you base these sweeping, evidence free assessments?

Luckily for you there is no way of ever knowing the answer to almost any of them and so you can remain safe in your cosy, albeit increasingly fact threatened bubble of Brexit self satisfaction.

By the looks of the way things are panning out, you'd better cling on to your Brexit positive speculations about the past, at least for the foreseeable future.....
'absolutely'
'separated'

 

[Nobby]

Got me vaccinated pretty

Got me vaccinated pretty lively

Such a shame

The fat Flopsy cnuts dithering got a lot of people DEAD too
Including a mate of mine

 

[Is it PotG?]

Such a shame

The fat Flopsy cnuts dithering got a lot of people DEAD too
Including a mate of mine

We all, sadly, know someone who died during the pandemic.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Absolute biassed prejudiced rubbish! We all know you hated Brexit (as do most of NSC), but Covid, and the Government's handling of a crisis with no precedent has absolutelu nothing, zilch, zero to do with Brexit.
Would Corbyn have handled it better? - no.
Would Caroline Lucas have handled it better? - no.
Would the massed legions of non-racist, non-homophobic, non-xenophobic leavers have handled it better? - no.
Did the EU/Brussels/the rest of the world handle it better? - no - and don't come back with New Zealand and/or Australia as an example; being seperated by hundreds of miles of ocean from the rest of the world makes it a totally different ball game, a luxury the British government didn't have.

.....and yes, mistakes were made in dealing with Covid.

No-deal Brexit ‘crowded out’ UK’s preparations for pandemic, Covid inquiry hears​

The government’s focus on Brexit “crowded out and prevented” the work that was needed to prepare for the next pandemic, the lead lawyer to the Covid-19 inquiry has said. Hugo Keith KC told the inquiry that work arising from the threat of a no-deal exit from the EU under Boris Johnson may have drained “the resources and capacity” that were needed for pandemic planning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-inquiry-brexit-eu-vaccines-b2356446.html

The first week of taking evidence at the Independent enquiry, but continue ranting against the mountain of evidence to the contrary

And based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, you are still claiming no one could have done better ? Johnson would be proud

 

[Lever]

Such a shame

The fat Flopsy cnuts dithering got a lot of people DEAD too
Including a mate of mine

Avoidable mortality in Great Britain - Office for National Statistics

Deaths from causes considered avoidable, treatable or preventable given timely and effective healthcare or public health interventions in those aged under 75 years.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[Wokeworrier]

Except for it's handling of the leaving the EU and Johnson's spunk others people money down the drain attitude during his time as London Mayor, but do carry on.

Everything Boris touches turns to shit.

A Conservative Government obsessed with the EU (above everything else) and a bunglec*** PM will very much form the findings of the Inquiry.

I'd also personally blame a celebrity obsessed society that puts as much as care in selecting it's leader as it does voting for a dog to win Britain's Got Talent, but I doubt that will figure.

I know he had a few bonkers vanity projects when Mayor but a more balanced assessment might mention overall crime falling significantly during his tenure, plus the murder rate halved, building more affordable homes than his predecessor and having some responsibility to help deliver a succesful Olympics games. A few reasons why he got a second term?

 

[Bodian]

But I may as well be talking to a puddle.

I like that - I shall use that quote next time I'm trying to explain something to one of our team leaders.

is there any evidence that anyone actually said, “let the bodies pile high”

The Inquiry has sent Johnson a list of questions, including one about this specific thing - so we may find out in due course.

 

[Lever]

Crime Rates in London during Johnson's mayoral tenure

Did crime fall while Boris Johnson was Mayor of London? - Full Fact

While Boris Johnson was London’s mayor, the homicide rate fell from 21 to 13 per million people. The overall police recorded crime rate fell 23%.

fullfact.org

'Trends in London need to be seen against the context of what’s happening across England and Wales as well. Over the same period, crime (including fraud) also fell across the country, but at a slower rate – about 14% between 2007/08 and 2015/16'.

 

[Lever]

Did Boris Johnson massively outbuild labour as London Mayor?

Fact check: did Boris Johnson ‘massively outbuild Labour’ as London mayor?

Get the latest in-depth insight and analysis for UK social housing professionals, including a diverse range of topics and a strong campaign voice.

www.insidehousing.co.uk

'Short answer: No. Overall housebuilding was lower in London during Boris Johnson’s regime (average 26,144 homes per year, according to the Ministry for Housing, Community and Local Government’s net additional dwellings data) than either Ken Livingstone (26,474) or Sadiq Khan (35,747) – although this is mostly to do with macroeconomic factors.

Long answer: Comparing mayoral housebuilding records in London is so difficult as to be almost impossible – but it is also a task regularly undertaken by those on both sides of the political divide.'

 

[Lever]

Was Johnson responsible for delivering a successful Olympics in 2012?

No, Boris Johnson did not ‘deliver the Olympics’

Conservatives really do seem to think that Johnson can bring back his feelgood factor of old. If Johnson can win in London, he can win anything, they seem to think. Not a chance

www.independent.co.uk

'Where one ranks the relative importance of contributions is a matter of personal choice. To look back now, the love that was in the air in that incredible fortnight is worth far more than an ugly sculpture and a mess of a stadium. But the idea that Johnson in some way “delivered” the games? Not a chance.'

 

[drew]

Was Johnson responsible for delivering a successful Olympics in 2012?

No, Boris Johnson did not ‘deliver the Olympics’

Conservatives really do seem to think that Johnson can bring back his feelgood factor of old. If Johnson can win in London, he can win anything, they seem to think. Not a chance

www.independent.co.uk

'Where one ranks the relative importance of contributions is a matter of personal choice. To look back now, the love that was in the air in that incredible fortnight is worth far more than an ugly sculpture and a mess of a stadium. But the idea that Johnson in some way “delivered” the games? Not a chance.'

1 wouldn't necessarily agree that it is a mess of a stadium just that it is currently unsuited to its current purpose. Nothing wrong with it at the time.

 

[Lever]

1 wouldn't necessarily agree that it is a mess of a stadium just that it is currently unsuited to its current purpose. Nothing wrong with it at the time.

Fair enough; the thrust of the article though is to undermine Johnson or his acolytes on his behalf claiming disproportionate credit for the Olympics....... which of course he has tried to do.

I think it is also referring to the stadium as a legacy mess, i.e. endorsing some of your comment

 

[clapham_gull]

I know he had a few bonkers vanity projects when Mayor but a more balanced assessment might mention overall crime falling significantly during his tenure, plus the murder rate halved, building more affordable homes than his predecessor and having some responsibility to help deliver a succesful Olympics games. A few reasons why he got a second term?

That's the funny thing about Johnson supporters, they are as dodgy with the facts as he is.

He had little do with Olympic games, in fact he was as annoyance. To keep him quiet they led him build an expensive helter-skelter that is a drain on London's finances because nobody wants it there.

If you add up his "few" (actually they are numerous), Johnson wasted about a billion in public funds.

Cost to the public purse from Johnson's schemes that either never happened or were supposed to be self funding.

Garden Bridge £52m
New Routemaster £321.6m
Emirates Air Line £24m
Water cannon £323,000
Hire bikes £225m
Estuary airport £5.2m
Olympic stadium conversion £305.5m
ArcelorMittal Orbit £6.1m

Total: £939.7m


As that's a conservative estimate as the figures are from 5 years ago.

As building more affordable homes, many were signed off under the previous administration. He had no influence in neither their funding or building.

In fact house building under Boris actually fell.

As for the "murder rate", Boris (and you) are actually using the homicide figure which include manslaughter. Crime was already falling when he took office and rose towards the end of his time. In fact in office he signed off 600 million pounds cuts in Police funding. The result of which we are probably seeing today.

Johnson was in the right place at the right time to become London Mayor after Livingstone exploded, but he beat the damaged Livingstone second time round by only a very small margin. He was also able to take advantage of a very weak PM in Cameron who put him there to keep him out the way.

Johnson was clever whilst PM to ensure history didn't repeat itself by placing one of the worst Tory candidates for any election ever up for London Mayor. The political failure and lock down party goer that is Shaun Bailey.

Luckily his uselessness (and usefulness to Johnson) was eventually rewarded. He placed him in the House of Lords.

 

[Lever]

That's the funny thing about Johnson supporters, they are as dodgy with the facts as he is.

He had little do with Olympic games, in fact he was as annoyance. To keep him quiet they led him build an expensive helter-skelter that is a drain on London's finances because nobody wants it there.

If you add up his "few" (actually they are numerous), Johnson wasted about a billion in public funds.

Cost to the public purse from Johnson's schemes that either never happened or were supposed to be self funding.

Garden Bridge £52m
New Routemaster £321.6m
Emirates Air Line £24m
Water cannon £323,000
Hire bikes £225m
Estuary airport £5.2m
Olympic stadium conversion £305.5m
ArcelorMittal Orbit £6.1m

Total: £939.7m


As that's a conservative estimate as the figures are from 5 years ago.

As building more affordable homes, many were signed off under the previous administration. He had no influence in neither their funding or building.

In fact house building under Boris actually fell.

As for the "murder rate", Boris (and you) are actually using the homicide figure which include manslaughter. Crime was already falling when he took office and rose towards the end of his time. In fact in office he signed off 600 million pounds cuts in Police funding. The result of which we are probably seeing today.

Johnson was in the right place at the right time to become London Mayor after Livingstone exploded, but he beat the damaged Livingstone second time round by only a very small margin. He was also able to take advantage of a very weak PM in Cameron who put him there to keep him out the way.

Johnson was clever whilst PM to ensure history didn't repeat itself by placing one of the worst Tory candidates for any election ever up for London Mayor. The political failure and lock down party goer that is Shaun Bailey.

Luckily his uselessness (and usefulness to Johnson) was eventually rewarded. He placed him in the House of Lords.

The truth is he was really interested only in vanity projects

 

[Bodian]

That's the funny thing about Johnson supporters, they are as dodgy with the facts as he is.

He had little do with Olympic games, in fact he was as annoyance. To keep him quiet they led him build an expensive helter-skelter that is a drain on London's finances because nobody wants it there.

If you add up his "few" (actually they are numerous), Johnson wasted about a billion in public funds.

Cost to the public purse from Johnson's schemes that either never happened or were supposed to be self funding.

Garden Bridge £52m
New Routemaster £321.6m
Emirates Air Line £24m
Water cannon £323,000
Hire bikes £225m
Estuary airport £5.2m
Olympic stadium conversion £305.5m
ArcelorMittal Orbit £6.1m

Total: £939.7m


As that's a conservative estimate as the figures are from 5 years ago.

As building more affordable homes, many were signed off under the previous administration. He had no influence in neither their funding or building.

In fact house building under Boris actually fell.

As for the "murder rate", Boris (and you) are actually using the homicide figure which include manslaughter. Crime was already falling when he took office and rose towards the end of his time. In fact in office he signed off 600 million pounds cuts in Police funding. The result of which we are probably seeing today.

Johnson was in the right place at the right time to become London Mayor after Livingstone exploded, but he beat the damaged Livingstone second time round by only a very small margin. He was also able to take advantage of a very weak PM in Cameron who put him there to keep him out the way.

Johnson was clever whilst PM to ensure history didn't repeat itself by placing one of the worst Tory candidates for any election ever up for London Mayor. The political failure and lock down party goer that is Shaun Bailey.

Luckily his uselessness (and usefulness to Johnson) was eventually rewarded. He placed him in the House of Lords.

Must admit, I did like the New Routemaster. They still look 'different' and interesting compared to the bog-standard bus.

He also tried to take credit for the bike hire network as well - the so-called 'boris-bikes', when he basically inherited the whole thing (like the Olympics).

 

[clapham_gull]

The truth is he was really interested only in vanity projects

and

1) Getting rid of old school rival Cameron to become Prime Minister / King of the World
2) Re-inventing himself as a Brexiteer (he really isn't)
3) Betting on vote leave losing, but only by small margin
4) Replacing a damaged Cameron as the "unity candidate" to heal a divided Tory party.

He legacy is one of a hugely divisive figure who has destroyed the credibility of the Conservative party from within.

Not that Johnson was himself an extremist, even after leaving the EU he was privately lobbying for a continuation of freedom of movement.

But Sunak's only chance now is a purge of the extremists that Johnson promoted.

 

[Lever]

and

1) Getting rid of old school rival Cameron to become Prime Minister / King of the World
2) Re-inventing himself as a Brexiteer (he really isn't)
3) Betting on vote leave winning, but only by small margin
4) Replacing a damaged Cameron as the "unity candidate" to heal a divided Tory party.

He legacy is one of a hugely divisive figure who has destroyed the credibility of the Conservative party from within.

Not that Johnson was himself an extremist, even after leaving the EU he was privately lobbying for a continuation of freedom of movement.

But Sunak's only chance now is a purge of the extremists that Johnson promoted.

Agreed, except I think for number 2 you intended to state 'vote remain winning...'

 

[clapham_gull]

Must admit, I did like the New Routemaster. They still look 'different' and interesting compared to the bog-standard bus.

A banana looks different and interesting compared to a bog standard bus. Doesn't make it workable as a bus.

The New Routemaster project was a complete failure, it just part of Johnson's "Make London Great Again" vanity and narcissism.

Remember he also tried to put a water cannon on the road as well.