BBassic
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Talent meaning ex-pro, experience meaning top flight and suitability meaning possession of a dick?
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[Football] Joey Barton
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Colonel Mustard
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I was talking more generally.
BBassic
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Well I think you're incorrect generally and specifically.
People are hired because they deserve to be hired.
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Except there seems to be a disproportionate number of poor pundits who are white, male and middle aged. As with all things, for a woman to break through the glass ceiling, she generally has to be better than her male counterparts.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Oh he's so EDGEY
Colonel Mustard
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That's very obviously untrue. Or at best, a.meaningless statement because 'deserve' is highly subjective.
BBassic
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If you say so
Colonel Mustard
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There are plenty of terrible pundits who are male and middle aged, agreed. But certainly not exclusively white.
I think that used to be the case in many areas. Maybe it's still the case now in some areas. Football punditry isn't a good example IMO.
Colonel Mustard
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It's not because I say so. It's because a context-free, sweeping statement like "People are hired because they deserve to be hired" is self-evidently unsustainable.
BBassic
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Absolute nonsense. There’s a minuscule number of female pundits and commentators in football compared to men. Even if everyone one of them is due to box ticking it’s hardly “a lot.“
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And there it is. The mask doesn’t so much slip as fall off. Bloke whose brother is inside for a racist murder turns out to be a massive racist, with a new anti woke podcast to promote. Not so much the full Le Tiss as the full Tommy.
And he wonders why he can’t get a job.
And he wonders why he can’t get a job.
I though this was a good article. https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ints-to-sad-malaise-among-footballs-lost-boys
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Not bad. Liew's a bit hit and miss for me but he does touch on something worrying there.
My 'for you' is now a complete mess since Musk's takeover. Full of conspiracy nonsense and far right clap trap. I'd stick to my 'Following' but for two reasons; firstly sometimes the trending stories become actual discussed 'things' such as the OP for this thread and secondly I'm slightly obsessed, in a worried kind of way, about what he's doing. Musk is genuinely a Bond villain, but rather than send Bond after him, many of the leaders of the Free World are lapping it up. It's no wonder clowns like Barton feel enabled when they're shoved on preference by algorithms ahead of real journalists who've done the hard yards (see the irony there Joey?).
No wonder all the big advertisers have left, to be replaced by drop ship scams, fake iPhone games and crypto bros.
Quite.
I was looking for the comment on 'box ticking'.
Making television more inclusive, and inviting people other than male retired elite professionals as presenters and pundits could be called 'box ticking', and if so it is a box I'd gladly tick.
It also makes TV football much more interesting. The good people are good because they are good. Two good people who spring to mind are Kelly Cates (masterful chair of proceedings, unobtrusive, knowledgable, not flashy) and Jobi McAnuff (I happen to like his voice as well as his measured punditry). The bad ones, well I will start and end with McManaman, to be very honest.
I always enjoyed MoTD, but the thought of going back to Shearer and Hansen, every week, occasionally supplemented by Ian WriteWriteWrite, while I have no special criticism of any of them, having all opinions marinated by similar recollections of the same sanctity of the Top Mens Club dressing room, fills me with ennui.
But anyway, women? Talking about football? And black people, and people who are quite possibly homosexual, sticking their noses into things they know nothing about? No sir. That's political correctness gone mad. Next it will be compulsory for first division players to run around in frilly knickers, and stockings and suspenders. Enough is enough.
Barton seems to want to make himself totally unemployable and will then blame everyone else.
LamieRobertson
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But then hes got plenty of publicity for his new podcast
I can’t see that lasting long.
scooter1
How soon is now?
You say that, but inexplicably Katie Price still has a career in the media. There is a bum for every seat, whether you like/agree with them or not..
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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He literally doesn't know what his point is.
First he said women who played football aren't in a position to talk about the men's game as it's not the same.
Then he said "I'm not saying you have to have played the game. I like people like Rory Smith"
Right, so a woman who has literally played football is LESS qualified to give her opinion on football than a man who hasn't.
Btw, I REALLY like Rory Smith. This isn't against him. It just shows how it's easy to come out with the 'shock' statement and soon it is easily torn to shreds.
First he said women who played football aren't in a position to talk about the men's game as it's not the same.
Then he said "I'm not saying you have to have played the game. I like people like Rory Smith"
Right, so a woman who has literally played football is LESS qualified to give her opinion on football than a man who hasn't.
Btw, I REALLY like Rory Smith. This isn't against him. It just shows how it's easy to come out with the 'shock' statement and soon it is easily torn to shreds.