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Joey Barton refused bail



Good. Little prick.
Won't be the end of his career though. Some club will put morality aside if it suits them, when the time comes. See Lee Hughes for more details.

Bit unfair on hughes I think. He served his time without whinging and seems to be really regretful and contrite for what he did. Should he have gone for longer, possibly. But does he seem genuinely sorry for his actions, I think he does.
 






Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
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Bit unfair on hughes I think. He served his time without whinging and seems to be really regretful and contrite for what he did. Should he have gone for longer, possibly. But does he seem genuinely sorry for his actions, I think he does.
You might want to go on the Millwall site with that point of view. They hate him there, and that is not the conclusion most of them seem to have drawn.

Besides which, he hit and run - killing a kid and maiming another. And all he got was 3 years.

If he feels a bit sheepish, he's got f***ing good reason to. The little TWUNT.
 


Buzzer

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Oct 1, 2006
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word on the street was that references were made to Barton's racist murdering half-brother. The Bartons (for there were 3) all flipped and defended said racist ****'s honour.

If God's gonna go around giving footie talent to people can't he be a bit more selective and pick a nice bloke like me in future?
 






hans kraay fan club

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You might want to go on the Millwall site with that point of view. They hate him there, and that is not the conclusion most of them seem to have drawn.

Besides which, he hit and run - killing a kid and maiming another. And all he got was 3 years.

If he feels a bit sheepish, he's got f***ing good reason to. The little TWUNT.


Why Millwall, in particular?

There were no kids involved by the way. It was three older people - a couple [the husband died - the wife was left disabled] and their friend. He got 6 years, and is out on remand.
 


BigGully

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Sep 8, 2006
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word on the street was that references were made to Barton's racist murdering half-brother. The Bartons (for there were 3) all flipped and defended said racist ****'s honour.

If God's gonna go around giving footie talent to people can't he be a bit more selective and pick a nice bloke like me in future?


So the poor soul who got a whacked, started abusing Barton about his half Brother ............. well looks like he deserved it to me ...... and I am not gonna start weeping for the pratt who started this abuse.
 


BigGully

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Sep 8, 2006
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Bit unfair on hughes I think. He served his time without whinging and seems to be really regretful and contrite for what he did. Should he have gone for longer, possibly. But does he seem genuinely sorry for his actions, I think he does.

Strange interpretation and comparison of behaviour.

Hughes I am afraid wins hands down in terms of victims and crime.
 




Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
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Millwall played Oldham just before they played us - Hughes scored a match winning hattrick, which is probably not a good way to endear yourself to that particular band of knuckle scraping ferel muppets anyway.

Anyway, they hate him after that match. And I sympathise, because this bloke killed two, and maimed one - then RAN AWAY. And he served just 3 years inside for this shocking crime. I simply have a big problem with this.
 


Strange interpretation and comparison of behaviour.

Hughes I am afraid wins hands down in terms of victims and crime.

I'm not saying that. What I'm suggesting is that hughes did the crime and, finally admitedly, fessed it, did his time and now shows genuine remorse. I believe he is now involved in visiting schools trying to stop children being the kind of idiot he was.

barton is a serial recidivist who has had countless chances and thousands of pounds thrown at him via that 'clinic' in hampshire to try to get him to change his ways and he still behaves like the out and out thug he is.
 






hans kraay fan club

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Barton shouldn't worry - West Ham will no doubt buy him to join Bowyer and Bellamy in an unholy trinity.

...

Don't forget the charming Kieran Dyer, te lovely Lucas Neill or that friend of the people Anton ferdinand.
 


BigGully

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I'm not saying that. What I'm suggesting is that hughes did the crime and, finally admitedly, fessed it, did his time and now shows genuine remorse. I believe he is now involved in visiting schools trying to stop children being the kind of idiot he was.

barton is a serial recidivist who has had countless chances and thousands of pounds thrown at him via that 'clinic' in hampshire to try to get him to change his ways and he still behaves like the out and out thug he is.


His behaviour has been thuggish undoubtedly, but his level of crime is low level compared with actions that resulted in the death of wholly innocent people.
 








His behaviour has been thuggish undoubtedly, but his level of crime is low level compared with actions that resulted in the death of wholly innocent people.

Stubbing cigars out in someones eye. Attacking his own club captain with a golf club. Attacking a 15 year old everton fan in a hotel foyer.

He's been lucky that's all imo.

But yes, hughes killed someone. My point is he is showing what I believe to be genuine remorse. barton dosesn't seem to give a shit about anyone.
 




hans kraay fan club

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His behaviour has been thuggish undoubtedly, but his level of crime is low level compared with actions that resulted in the death of wholly innocent people.


Of course you're right, but playing Devil's Advocat, look at it this way instead;

Hughes; Made one [tragically serious] error of judgement. Hwever reprehensible his actions were in first getting behind the wheel after a skinful, and secondly fleeing the scene, he didn't deliberately kill anyone.

Barton; At least FIVE counts of assault ranging from common assault to GBH. each time, under whatever provocation he has chosen to answer with his fists [or cigar]. For someone like Barton these incidents will continue to be 'low level' until eventually somebody does die or end up seriously injured as a result.
 




BigGully

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Stubbing cigars out in someones eye. Attacking his own club captain with a golf club. Attacking a 15 year old everton fan in a hotel foyer.

He's been lucky that's all imo.

But yes, hughes killed someone. My point is he is showing what I believe to be genuine remorse. barton dosesn't seem to give a shit about anyone.

I am sorry remorse genuine or not is not really the point, I actually think we all have personal responsibilty for any initial actions........

I am saying that Barton might be a thug, but I aint gonna worry too much about a guy either in a Mcdonalds Restaurant at 5.00am or a Chav Everton Teenager in a bar in Thailand getting an aggressive response to any inital vulgarity.
 


This reminded me about Matthew Broderick the actor (quoted);

In 1987, while Broderick was vacationing in Northern Ireland with his then-girlfriend Jennifer Grey (who'd played his sister in Ferris Bueller), he steered his rented BMW into the opposite lane and it collided head-on with an oncoming car. Margaret Doherty, 63, and her daughter Anna Gallagher, 30, were killed. Doherty's son Martin Doherty was crippled. Broderick and Grey were slightly injured. Broderick, whose blood tested negative for alcohol, was charged with causing death by dangerous driving, and under Irish law he could have been imprisoned for five years. He was convicted only of careless driving, and fined $175. The family of the dead were understandably furious. Broderick has since said he's "willing to" meet with Doherty to apologize, but he hasn't.
 


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