Jimmy Carr - I do not pay a penny more tax than I have to.

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So his father used tax avoidance and is now dead - how does that make Cameron a hypocrite ? There's not even a suggestion in that article that he continues to use it.

It no doubt helped pay for his Bullington fees, to get him where he is today. Does he think that's morally wrong? Really? No he doesn't.

 

[Seagull58]

Whilst I think Dave Cameron was right to highlight Jimmy Carr's tax avoidance scheme, why is he so quiet in relation to Sir Philip Green, whose net worth is £3,300,000,000, and who avoided a £285 MILLION tax liability the other year when he paid a £1,200,000,000 dividend to himself via a tax avoidance scheme?

Could it be anything to do with Green being a vocal supporter of Cameron at the last election? Surely not, that would be tantamount to Cameron giving News International an easy ride on the takeover of BSkyB in return for support from NI papers, would never happen.

Double standards? Meh.

Sorry, but if you are a major shareholder in a company and you choose to take an fairly low salary but pay large dividends that is not tax avoidance per se. That is very common practise and I don't see anything morally wrong with it. You pay corporation tax on the dividends (25% I think) and the dividends are paid out equally to ALL the shareholders in the company. 25% is far far away fromn 1%

 

[Triggaaar]

Was it not you that turned into into a Tory v Labour issue with your first post above? Does that not make you blinkered as well!?

I think this was turned into a Cons v Labour issue on page one, and Seagull58 didn't join the thread until page 5.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I agree, but this is part of the problem, you need to start somewhere and everyone has skeletons in the cupboard. I think you almost need an
amnesty, then say right we warned you and we are coming to get you. Lets change the law so people like Phillip Green can't fleece us anymore -
lets open the debate.

But, to do that you need to step away from party politics and finger pointing. Lets get more money for OUR country so we don't have to sack so
many nurses, services for the elderly etc

I agree. How about a flat rate of tax for everyone and then tighten up the laws on avoidance. Then see if the threats from the wealth creators that they will flee the country are true.

 

[BadFish]

There you go again, turning into a Tory v Labour issue. Very odd that you called someone blinkered for the same thing...

Which i didn't do!

And i resent the suggestion that my blinkeredness is in anyway biased towards any one political party.

My blinkeredness very definately hates all major political parties equally.

I just believe that the Tories are marginally less moral when it comes to money than Labour.

 

[Triggaaar]

It's the bare faced hypocracy that makes me angry.

But it's just been pointed out to you that having a father that had an off-shore investment company doesn't make you a hypocrite. I think it must be something else making you angry.

 

[Seagull58]

I quite agree that the Labour party and Lib Dems will also have tax avoiding rich benefactors, but you are deluded if you think the Tories are not more tainted by this than any other party.

I wonder whether there is the appetite for a flat rate of tax mentioned by [MENTION=17103]Mo Gosfield[/MENTION] and myself this morning? I like the idea of these tax avoiding scum being made to pay their due, especially if that due turns out to be only 15 or 20% that everyone else pays...

From what I've read in the past about flat rate tax I definitely think it should be considered. I think Finland uses it vary successfully but I could be wrong about the country.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Which i didn't do!

And i resent the suggestion that my blinkeredness is in anyway biased towards any one political party.

My blinkeredness very definately hates all major political parties equally.

I just believe that the Tories are marginally less moral when it comes to money than Labour.

Don't disagree, just amusing that [MENTION=23440]Seagull58[/MENTION] can call someone else blinkered, then has multiple posts all reducing the debate to Tory v Labour. Now, did someone say hypocrite earlier!?

 

[BadFish]

Sorry, but if you are a major shareholder in a company and you choose to take an fairly low salary but pay large dividends that is not tax avoidance per se. That is very common practise and I don't see anything morally wrong with it. You pay corporation tax on the dividends (25% I think) and the dividends are paid out equally to ALL the shareholders in the company. 25% is far far away fromn 1%

You are adjusting your income streams to avoid paying your fair share of tax. This is morally wrong.

 

[Seagull58]

I quite agree that the Labour party and Lib Dems will also have tax avoiding rich benefactors, but you are deluded if you think the Tories are not more tainted by this than any other party.

I wonder whether there is the appetite for a flat rate of tax mentioned by [MENTION=17103]Mo Gosfield[/MENTION] and myself this morning? I like the idea of these tax avoiding scum being made to pay their due, especially if that due turns out to be only 15 or 20% that everyone else pays...

Why is it relevant which political party a tax dodger votes for?

 

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But it's just been pointed out to you that having a father that had an off-shore investment company doesn't make you a hypocrite. I think it must be something else making you angry.

Nope, see above.
It no doubt helped pay for his Bullington fees, to get him where he is today. Does he think that's morally wrong? Really? No he doesn't.

Its your birthday! Get out of the house

 

[Triggaaar]

Whilst I think Dave Cameron was right to highlight Jimmy Carr's tax avoidance scheme, why is he so quiet in relation to Sir Philip Green, whose net worth is £3,300,000,000, and who avoided a £285 MILLION tax liability the other year when he paid a £1,200,000,000 dividend to himself via a tax avoidance scheme?

So what tax rate did Philip Green pay on that £1.2B dividend? If it was 1% that's the same as Carr and it clearly shouldn't be allowed. If it was 25%, I don't see the problem.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Firstly, that's his father, not him. Secondly, or reading that article, it doesn't seem anything like the scheme that Carr has used. I'm pretty sure TB is earning a mint and paying less in tax than most of us would expect him to. None of it is right, and it should be made a voting issue (ie, we'll vote for the party that removes these schemes).

Jimmy Carr avoided paying tax and do did David Cameron's father, no difference at all to me.
David Cameron has come out and said that what Jimmy Carr has done is "morally wrong". Well was it morally wrong that his father avoided tax that contributed to the family wealth, that contributed to David Cameron's nice education and that contributed to David Cameron receiving £300,000 in his father's will?

 

[Hamilton]

Sorry, but if you are a major shareholder in a company and you choose to take an fairly low salary but pay large dividends that is not tax avoidance per se. That is very common practise and I don't see anything morally wrong with it. You pay corporation tax on the dividends (25% I think) and the dividends are paid out equally to ALL the shareholders in the company. 25% is far far away fromn 1%

It should also be pointed out that Philip Green (as much as I don't particularly warm to the guy) is responsible for employing thousands of people in the UK. Jimmy Carr is just responsible for himself.

I'm sure we'll get into a debate about Green's attitude to low pay and other issues, but the point is that if all this is true then Jimmy Carr really is taking everything he can and putting very little back in.

 

[Seagull58]

Ahh I see. Your best input to this discussion is petty name calling and smart arse play on words insults. Well done. Very clever.

and your original input to the discussion was
"I think he's paying the price for coming last on a biscuit game with Cameron, Osborne and Alex Boris De-Feffel Johnson ..... if only he'd spunked his load and then chorttled whilst the rest of them guzzled down his cum he'd probably be in the clear ..... and paying less tax"

Hence my, obviously accurate, comment that you don't think. Try and make a sensible post that shows you have considered the situation in a serious manner and you may get a different response.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Has anyone directly asked him whether his father was "morally wrong" to use tax havens then?

I don't think so, but I'd like to see what his answer would be.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

So his father used tax avoidance and is now dead - how does that make Cameron a hypocrite ? There's not even a suggestion in that article that he continues to use it.

It makes him a hypocrite because he and his family have benefitted from tax avoidance.

 

[Seagull58]

To assume makes an ass of u and me.

I didn't assume anything. You stated "My post was about the Irony of Conservatives taking a moral stance on the subject."
Therefore, you have made it a party political issue.

 

[Simster]

I wonder if other comedians will take the piss out of him, or will they be strangely quiet. If it was a Tory politician they'd be all over this,
I suppose we'll have to wait and see

Frankie Boyle is busy taking the piss out of Assange and One Direction on twitter. All strangely quiet on tax avoiding tosspot, Jimmy Carr.

 

[Triggaaar]

Nope, see above.
It no doubt helped pay for his Bullington fees, to get him where he is today. Does he think that's morally wrong? Really? No he doesn't.

You can't proclaim to know what he thinks. There's also a difference between putting money you have already earned and paid tax in an investment scheme to stop it losing value, and earning new money and not paying tax.

Its your birthday! Get out of the house

Just recovering from the chocolate croissant in bed, followed by the full english. Not sure what the plan is today, but when Gus asked what I wanted, I asked him to sign Vicente. So here I am, waiting for news.