Jimmy Carr - I do not pay a penny more tax than I have to.

[Seagull58]

Ahh I see. Your best input to this discussion is petty name calling and smart arse play on words insults. Well done. Very clever.

I have made many other inputs to this discussion. I hope your best input is not a post about a cum guzzling competition between Tory politicians.

 

[DJ Leon]

Brown made some noise about tax avoidance and also passed some legislation to clamp down on it, although only scratching the surface and choosing his targets very carefully. Did he also make a big mistake and open a can of worms or does the can of worms only appear when its a Tory trying to raise tax revenue and balance the books?

Did he name an individual and call them 'morally wrong'? I'm sorry, but I'm really not picking political sides here. The record of both parties on tax loopholes is woeful. That's pretty much undeniable. Sorry not to enter a good old 'left' vs right ding dong.

 

[BadFish]

and your original input to the discussion was
"I think he's paying the price for coming last on a biscuit game with Cameron, Osborne and Alex Boris De-Feffel Johnson ..... if only he'd spunked his load and then chorttled whilst the rest of them guzzled down his cum he'd probably be in the clear ..... and paying less tax"

Hence my, obviously accurate, comment that you don't think. Try and make a sensible post that shows you have considered the situation in a serious manner and you may get a different response.

Aside from the fact that I didn't post that you are entirely a tit!

 

[BadFish]

I have made many other inputs to this discussion. I hope your best input is not a post about a cum guzzling competition between Tory politicians.

So do I, especially as I have not made such a post.

 

[trueblue]

It is all very simple and the tax experts have been saying it for years. You have a flat rate of income tax for EVERYBODY.
It has been proved that if everybody paid a flat rate ( around 15% ), irrespective of earnings above the minimal level, the exchequer would collect more money.
So why does the government do nothing about it?
They obviously have a vested interest in maintaining the present structure ( turkeys voting for Christmas? )

But, like VAT, that's plainly unfair on lower earners as higher earners can afford to lose a larger proportion of their income without it affecting their lifestyle - it's a basic tenet of progressive taxation that the more you earn, the more the rate rises. If the system is run properly, that is.

 

[BadFish]

I didn't assume anything. You stated "My post was about the Irony of Conservatives taking a moral stance on the subject."
Therefore, you have made it a party political issue.

No I didn't I made a comment on the lack of moral compass in the Conservative party where money is concerned, I didn't make any judgement on the moral compass of any other political party. I mentioned the Conservatives because it was their leader who made the comment we are discussing.

Please don't put words in my mouth. Or read more carefully what is written, by whom and try to understand what the person is trying to say instead of attributing posts to others.

 

[Seagull58]

Out of interest what do you think my obvious political bias is?! You should probably face up to the fact that there is NO difference between the parties on tax justice. NONE.

I judged your political bias from this statement "Personally what makes me sick is Cameron declaring this 'morally wrong'. You're in charge in Dave, if you don't like it do something about it. Or would that upset your mates from school and all your big business chums?"
However, if since your statement doesn't mention the Tories specifically I'm happy to be corrected. Maybe you are addressing Cameron specifically and not the Tories in general.
I totally agree that both parties have made some effort to close tax loopholes. There are many differences between the parties in their preferred taxation model but how that correlates to tax justice is a LONG discussion.

 

[Seagull58]

Aside from the fact that I didn't post that you are entirely a tit!

Pevenseaseagull posted it and it was in reply to his post that I posted mine "I think you don't think".
When you responded to my post I, wrongly, assumed you were the original poster of the cum guzzling comment.

 

[Simster]

But, like VAT, that's plainly unfair on lower earners as higher earners can afford to lose a larger proportion of their income without it affecting their lifestyle - it's a basic tenet of progressive taxation that the more you earn, the more the rate rises. If the system is run properly, that is.

I would agree in priniciple but that can be mitigated if tax receipts are then redistributed to benefit the less well off.

But ultimately, faced between a flat rate of tax and the current situation can avoid paying billions, I'd say the former is considerably fairer.

 

[Seagull58]

Did he name an individual and call them 'morally wrong'? I'm sorry, but I'm really not picking political sides here. The record of both parties on tax loopholes is woeful. That's pretty much undeniable. Sorry not to enter a good old 'left' vs right ding dong.

I agree and that is what I have been pointing out to the posters who insist on claiming that tax avoidance is all a Tory plot. It's NOT a political party issue.

 

[Seagull58]

So do I, especially as I have not made such a post.

But you replied in an insulting manner to a post that I made in reply to the original cum guzzling post. Hence, my thinking that you made the original post.

 

[Seagull58]

No I didn't I made a comment on the lack of moral compass in the Conservative party where money is concerned, I didn't make any judgement on the moral compass of any other political party. I mentioned the Conservatives because it was their leader who made the comment we are discussing.

Please don't put words in my mouth. Or read more carefully what is written, by whom and try to understand what the person is trying to say instead of attributing posts to others.

You are differntiating between Tory action on tax avoidance and Labour action on tax avoidance and stating that a supposed lack of moral compass in the Tory party makes it ironic that they should want to close tax loopholes. That is a party political

 

[severnside gull]

Laughing my arse off!

It transpires that David Cameron's father ran an off-shore tax avoidance scheme.*


Is he going to go on television later today to publicly vilify his own father? After all if it is morally wrong to take advantage of a (legal) tax dodging scheme it must be a lot worse to set up and run one mustn't it?!

At least we can now surmise why the scheme Carr took advantage of wasn't closed down earlier.
Politicians? f*** 'em - if anyone is morally bankrupt then they all are!


*This Morning quoting an article in The Guardian from last April

 

[BadFish]

You are differntiating between Tory action on tax avoidance and Labour action on tax avoidance and stating that a supposed lack of moral compass in the Tory party makes it ironic that they should want to close tax loopholes. That is a party political

No I am not

I was saying that a lack of moral compass in the Conservative party makes it ironic that their leader is making moral judgements about someone else.

I rather wish I hadn't bothered now. Can we drop it?

 

[trueblue]

I would agree in priniciple but that can be mitigated if tax receipts are then redistributed to benefit the less well off.

But ultimately, faced between a flat rate of tax and the current situation can avoid paying billions, I'd say the former is considerably fairer.

That's just giving up though. They simply need to make the rich and large corporations pay their taxes. A circular argument, I know, as it won't happen because they're all in cahoots. It's a shame that things like flat rate tax will always look more appealing to the less well off in society. Rather like selling off public housing and getting huge popular support, politicians are very adept at getting turkeys to vote for Xmas...

 

[Lush]

The stupid thing is that, to an extent, you could buy into the fact that British businesses should get all the help/economic support they can get because a prosperous country is good for everyone. But not if those in charge of said businesses are squirelling away the proceeds off-shore instead of paying their share of tax.

 

[DJ Leon]

I judged your political bias from this statement "Personally what makes me sick is Cameron declaring this 'morally wrong'. You're in charge in Dave, if you don't like it do something about it. Or would that upset your mates from school and all your big business chums?"
However, if since your statement doesn't mention the Tories specifically I'm happy to be corrected. Maybe you are addressing Cameron specifically and not the Tories in general.
I totally agree that both parties have made some effort to close tax loopholes. There are many differences between the parties in their preferred taxation model but how that correlates to tax justice is a LONG discussion.

I am addressing Cameron. He said it. And I'm addressing the Tories. They're in power. You're bumbling around blaming people for playing a political game, when no-one OTHER than you is.

 

[Nibble]

I don't trust the government to spend any of our money wisely so if I was earning Jimmy Carr's money I would do what he has done but a lot of the money I saved I'd set up a foundation to help the less fortunate in our society that Cameron seems intent on wiping off the face of the earth. I would rest easy knowing my money isn't going to Cameron and his greedy chums and I got to choose how my money helps society.

 

[Lush]

Frankie Boyle is busy taking the piss out of Assange and One Direction on twitter. All strangely quiet on tax avoiding tosspot, Jimmy Carr.

Not entirely:

From Twitter: @ Frankieboyle "If you're rich, don't look at it as tax avoidance, look at it as a Childrens hospital buying you a pool table."

 

[Ernest]

It's no good Big Cam saying it is morally wrong , he is not a bloke on a forum moaning he is the Prime Minister so why doesn't he close every tax avoiding loop hole ? Probably because his mates and Tory party donating chums wouldn't be too happy.