Jeremy Corbyn's conference speech

[alfredmizen]

At least some people try to disguise it....

Yes , perhaps it would be an idea for you to try ?

 

[Lifelong Supporter]

No, not at the highest level of politics it won't - no matter how much you'd like it to. He's being extremely naive and his lack of Front Bench experience is showing. That answer - commendable for its honesty though it might be - will come to haunt him and damage the Labour Party's electoral prospects.

The correct answer would have been:
"I can't conceive of any circumstances under which I would order the use of our nuclear deterrent; however I'm not going to get into debating my response to hypothetical scenarios that may or not may come about. Situations - and the level of our response - will be judged at the time, according to the threat they pose."

Exactly right

 

[Bold Seagull]

Yes , perhaps it would be an idea for you to try ?

Hang on, you just accused me of trying...make your mind up!

 

[Hampster Gull]

I see Cobyn is getting the nasty politics stuff. His party wish to continue with a nuclear deterent and as it is not his preference, despite all this grand standing stuff about new politics, he completely undermines his comrades by saying he will never use them if he gets the PM job. could have been a script in Yes Prime Minister.

 

[5mins-from-amex]

I see Cobyn is getting the nasty politics stuff. His party wish to continue with a nuclear deterent and as it is not his preference, despite all this grand standing stuff about new politics, he completely undermines his comrades by saying he will never use them if he gets the PM job. could have been a script in Yes Prime Minister.

Do people really believe he could become prime minister? HAHAHAHAHA no chance.

 

[alfredmizen]

Hang on, you just accused me of trying...make your mind up!

You initially used it to cover up corbyns monumental stupidity, now try it for your own

 

[Hampster Gull]

Do people really believe he could become prime minister? HAHAHAHAHA no chance.

Shhh, don't ruin it

 

[LamieRobertson]

The Trident argument shows Labour to be as divided as ever ....Corbyn really does seem rattled in the interviews I've seen him give today.....still we've got the Tory rubbish next week and dodgy Dave..hey ho.

 

[Buzzer]

They should at the moment. The Guardian has been full of rubbish for months. Unreadable.

FWIW I thought it was a good speech. Corbyn set his stall out as a man of the people and a tireless campaigner for social justice.

Ok it was delivered slickly and lacked the souless presentation skills that you'd expect from snake oil salesman like Cameron and Blair, but for me that was a plus point. I couldn't be less interested in the petulant bleatings of the New-Labour establishment who have just had all their toys taken away.

It will be a hard sell for Corbyn, but if he can stick with it over the next FOUR years, he may just pull it off. There is now an alternative to the establishment consensus, people no longer have to accept what they are given if they do not want to. Corbyn has finally given the disaffected a home for their vote.

I take your point fully and I can see that Corbyn is a breath of fresh air into what had become a pretty stale political arena and I can also see why he is so popular on the left. Rather perversely, the MPs I admire the most in the HoC are probably all on the left - Corbyn, Hoey, Frank Field, Simon Hughes was a great loss IMO. I'm trying to be objective here when I say that Corbyn needs to sort out the party in-fighting very soon so that he can push his progressive agenda. And to do that he does need lots more friendly faces in the left-wing press.

I think @Gwylan hit the nail on the head when he said that he doesn't expect Corbyn to win the next election but the hope is that Corbyn will have changed the party sufficiently so that it stands on a proper democratic socialist platform and a more TV savvy leader emerges to carry this forward. I think the very real danger is that if the Guardian and New Statesman carry on this cynical approach to Corbyn then there won't be this chance of change and the likes of Chuka Umunna will be waiting, knife in hand, for Corbyn to fail and then claim that failure as a mandate to push the party back to a Blairite agenda. No-one on the left believes any of the spin from the right-wing press anyway whereas the Guardian and the Staggers are hugely influential, they may well make or break Corbyn.

 

[alfredmizen]

I can see why vets of the NI conflict will feel like this. Personally, I really can't take you up on it as I think you have every right to feel aggrieved having risked your life serving the country. But it's also fair to say that some of those who are more detached and less emotionally involved will see his former conduct in a very different light. Things are often said and done that are either regrettable or perhaps misinterpreted for something they are not. As an example (and excuse the invocation of Godwin's law here), I'm fairly sure had Lloyd George gone to meet Hitler 4 or 5 years later, he wouldn't have described him as "the greatest living German", especially as he went on to staunchly disavow appeasement policy.

ok , but why then, do yourself and other posters who are of similar outlook politically, then get extremely het up and angry , about people like jon terry, throwing around descriptions like 'oxygen thief' and 'vile excuse for a human being', when essentially what he did was park in a disabled bay and call someone a nasty name, why do you fail to remain detached and less emotionally involved ? After all if PIRA terrorism left you unnaffected , surely so did jon terrys actions ? He was found not guilty in a court of law , yet the lynch mob mentality on here was ready to hang him , whereas corbyn is afforded all manner of get out clauses.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I see Cobyn is getting the nasty politics stuff. His party wish to continue with a nuclear deterent and as it is not his preference, despite all this grand standing stuff about new politics, he completely undermines his comrades by saying he will never use them if he gets the PM job. could have been a script in Yes Prime Minister.

I loved Yes minister and Yes Prime minister, comedy gold, but this new Yes/No What the F*** are you talking about Jeremy ! show may yet be the funniest political comedy ever seen. Sit back and enjoy, Episode 1 has been a cracker. As the shadow cabinet implodes I'm guessing the next episodes may be even funnier.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I loved Yes minister and Yes Prime minister, comedy gold, but this new Yes/No What the F*** are you talking about Jeremy ! show may yet be the funniest political comedy ever seen. Sit back and enjoy, Episode 1 has been a cracker. As the shadow cabinet implodes I'm guessing the next episodes may be even funnier.

Whereas the actual government is more of a tragedy than a comedy...

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Whereas the actual government is more of a tragedy than a comedy...

Tragedy is a bit strong more of a farce .....

 

[wellquickwoody]

After being given a question by a BBC reporter (I did not hear the topic etc), JC's reaction was to accuse the questioner of not understanding either the topic, or the need for sensible discussion, thereby avoiding giving any kind of applicable answer.

JC is going to alienate the press very quickly, even the friendly ones, if he accuses them of not understanding the topic. Seems to be his achilles heel, cannot take a bit of tough questioning and snaps when pressure is applied, shame as I would like to see him take Labour into 2020. No chance he will get that long on current form.

 

[Hampster Gull]

After being given a question by a BBC reporter (I did not hear the topic etc), JC's reaction was to accuse the questioner of not understanding either the topic, or the need for sensible discussion, thereby avoiding giving any kind of applicable answer.

JC is going to alienate the press very quickly, even the friendly ones, if he accuses them of not understanding the topic. Seems to be his achilles heel, cannot take a bit of tough questioning and snaps when pressure is applied, shame as I would like to see him take Labour into 2020. No chance he will get that long on current form.

He's a socialist, it is his believe that a central elite can plan better than the market so not a huge leap to him knowing best and others not getting it. He is struggling to understand he has to win hearts and minds,cnot convince the convinced. But at least he is raising his red flag

 

[Notters]

The Trident argument shows Labour to be as divided as ever ....Corbyn really does seem rattled in the interviews I've seen him give today.....still we've got the Tory rubbish next week and dodgy Dave..hey ho.

Heaven forbid people be allowed their own opinions.

In what way has he been rattled exactly? By giving straight answers?

 

[LamieRobertson]

Heaven forbid people be allowed their own opinions.

In what way has he been rattled exactly? By giving straight answers?

Who said they shouldn't? Hence i was giving mine....straight? Avoidance at times from what i've seen....still just giving my opinion.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Heaven forbid people be allowed their own opinions.

In what way has he been rattled exactly? By giving straight answers?

By being evasive and accusing others of not understanding the topic?

 

[Working class pride]

The only thing that is important is that Corbyn wants you to go to work, maybe take a risk or two, and then if you succeed, hand the money you have made to him and he will give it to someone who he thinks is worthy. You sign up for that if you take, but not if you produce. The welfare state is a minimum standard not a way of life. Those unwell will be provided for, but if not 4 generations of people who have not worked. Working class meant you worked and you had class. I say this and I agree with him that we dont need to tax people to buy updated nuclear weapons (what we have will do) and I also agree that a monarchy is immoral. But I wont vote for him, because he doesn't get that he has no right to spend my money that I have earned.

 

[dreaming spires]

The guy is a raving lunatic who finds himself in a job he had no real prospect of winning. Within a week or so of taking office his own appointed cabinet have tonight gone on national television opposing his views on a nuclear deterrent. In the past he has supported killers of innocent people.
In truth, he's the biggest vote yet for giving the Tories another nailed on third term in a row. The only way that could ever be avoided is if the only credible labour future leader takes over, namely David Milliband.