Jeremy Corbyn's conference speech

[JC Footy Genius]

But it's also fair to say that those who are more detached and less emotionally involved will see his former conduct in a very different light.

Lovely bit of patronising there but as someone who is more detached and less emotionally involved you do not speak for me. Perhaps insert/edit some of those with their own prejudices/bias could see ........

 

[Simster]

Lovely bit of patronising there but as someone who is more detached and less emotionally involved you do not speak for me. Perhaps insert/edit some of those with their own prejudices/bias could see ........

Will do. Sorry, genuine error. Didn't mean to be patronising.

 

[alfredmizen]

I can see why vets of the NI conflict will feel like this. Personally, I really can't take you up on it as I think you have every right to feel aggrieved having risked your life serving the country. But it's also fair to say that some of those who are more detached and less emotionally involved will see his former conduct in a very different light. Things are often said and done that are either regrettable or perhaps misinterpreted for something they are not. As an example (and excuse the invocation of Godwin's law here), I'm fairly sure had Lloyd George gone to meet Hitler 4 or 5 years later, he wouldn't have described him as "the greatest living German", especially as he went on to staunchly disavow appeasement policy.

make no mistakes simster , I do appreciate your level headed replies , but let's be honest , the comparison with Lloyd George and hitler really doesn't stand up , hitler was a relatively unknown quantity then, the likes of McConnell and Corbyn KNEW exactly what Adams, mcguiness and pira were when they made these statements, in your heart of hearts you surely can't agree that this disgusting pair ( in my view) could ever be allowed to be in charge of British troops ?

 

[Simster]

I just think it's very easy to be sanitised from the reality of car bombs and knee-cappings as a politician. Corbyn won't be the last. Even accepting that SF/PIRA would have argued that they saw some unpleasant things from the British, he was wrong to have been photographed warmly embracing these people openly.

The reality is that politicians as a breed are simply detached from real life and real life problems sometimes. I see this sort of cavorting as an extension of that. It's not nice and I'd rather they were more straight forward and less naive, but this isn't a reason to never vote for him. I have less respect for Tony Blair after his disgusting decision to send British troops to Iraq. F**k off Blair you tw*t, make your mistakes over interest rates or your own family's lives - not lives of people you have never met you contemptible piece of shìt.

By the way, I'm not sure your argument that Hitler was an unknown quantity really stands up. He was in prison for attempting to seize power by force in 1924 - several years before DLG met him.

 

[Hastings gull]

You don't like people glibly picking up your daft ticket machine comparisons yet see nothing wrong in comparing nationalised industries with East Germany. Your attitude and hypocrisy is laughable.

I think you need to calm down a bit. I expressly made the point that the ticket machine was a very minor point in the grand scheme of things and only listed that as a silly example, as I stated. I took issue with the post not because he had mentioned it mat all, but because of the significance that he chose to attach to it. Presumably you were so quick to reply, you had not totally bothered to check?
On a broader note, I am afraid that I don't really understand what you are getting at with the highlighted sentence. Could you please be more explicit as to why I am being hypocritical?

 

[Simster]

I think you need to calm down a bit. I expressly made the point that the ticket machine was a very minor point in the grand scheme of things and only listed that as a silly example, as I stated. I took issue with the post not because he had mentioned it mat all, but because of the significance that he chose to attach to it. Presumably you were so quick to reply, you had not totally bothered to check?
On a broader note, I am afraid that I don't really understand what you are getting at with the highlighted sentence. Could you please be more explicit as to why I am being hypocritical?

I'm perfectly calm. I just feel you are a bit of a hypocrite if you dislike people picking you up for such a trivial example, yet you will happily trot out East Germany as an example of where nationalised industries have failed.

I really don't need to be more explicit as to why using East German industry as a direct comparison to the trains under British Rail is so ludicrous, so I'm not going to waste my time doing so.

 

[Hastings gull]

I just think it's very easy to be sanitised from the reality of car bombs and knee-cappings as a politician. Corbyn won't be the last. Even accepting that SF/PIRA would have argued that they saw some unpleasant things from the British, he was wrong to have been photographed warmly embracing these people openly.

The reality is that politicians as a breed are simply detached from real life and real life problems sometimes. I see this sort of cavorting as an extension of that. It's not nice and I'd rather they were more straight forward and less naive, but this isn't a reason to never vote for him. I have less respect for Tony Blair after his disgusting decision to send British troops to Iraq. F**k off Blair you tw*t, make your mistakes over interest rates or your own family's lives - not lives of people you have never met you contemptible piece of shìt.
By the way, I'm not sure your argument that Hitler was an unknown quantity really stands up. He was in prison for attempting to seize power by force in 1924 - several years before DLG met him.

After this totally unnecessary diatribe, you have the nerve to talk about my attitude. . .

The Hitler Putsch in the early 1920s was confined to Munich, and the post was really quite right in that Hitler had not received national recognition, or indeed any sort of real recognition outside of the Nazi party in Bayern.

 

[Simster]

After this totally unnecessary diatribe, you have the nerve to talk about my attitude. . .

Diatribe? You are aware that was aimed at Tony Blair, someone I hold in contempt for the needless deaths of thousands, including too many British soldiers? It wasn't aimed at you. Good grief, you are precious..

The Hitler Putsch in the early 1920s was confined to Munich, and the post was really quite right in that Hitler had not received national recognition, or indeed any sort of real recognition outside of the Nazi party in Bayern.

I would dispute that he was not recognised in other parts of Germany after that. Sorry.

 

[Hastings gull]

I'm perfectly calm. I just feel you are a bit of a hypocrite if you dislike people picking you up for such a trivial example, yet you will happily trot out East Germany as an example of where nationalised industries have failed.

I really don't need to be more explicit as to why using East German industry as a direct comparison to the trains under British Rail is so ludicrous, so I'm not going to waste my time doing so.

Where on earth is the link that could possibly be made between the two points that could label me as a hypocrite?! And I have fully explained the issue about the ticket machine to you.The point about East Germany is that,despite all sorts of posters everywhere of smiling workers, the productivity was low, and the goods often of poor quality, because there were so few incentives to be any better. This is the risk when you have a huge bureaucratic monolithic industry where the individual feels that they are just a tiny part of a state - owned cog, with little or no personal incentive to work hard. I have now explained the dangers of nationalising, and to quote you, wasted my time on you, so now perhaps instead of the insults, you could clarify why the comparison feels so ludicrous.

 

[Hastings gull]

Diatribe? You are aware that was aimed at Tony Blair, someone I hold in contempt for the needless deaths of thousands, including too many British soldiers? It wasn't aimed at you. Good grief, you are precious..

I would dispute that he was not recognised in other parts of Germany after that. Sorry.

I wasn't suggesting it was aimed at me. It was just unnecessary.

 

[alfredmizen]

He's a clown, I've just seen him telling reporters he'd never use nuclear weapons , prime minister ? statesman ? Seriously ? His politics belong in the 6th form common room

 

[Moshe Gariani]

He's a clown, I've just seen him telling reporters he'd never use nuclear weapons , prime minister ? statesman ? Seriously ? His politics belong in the 6th form common room

answering questions honestly will never get him anywhere, will it...

 

[Bry Nylon]

answering questions honestly will never get him anywhere, will it...

No, not at the highest level of politics it won't - no matter how much you'd like it to. He's being extremely naive and his lack of Front Bench experience is showing. That answer - commendable for its honesty though it might be - will come to haunt him and damage the Labour Party's electoral prospects.

The correct answer would have been:
"I can't conceive of any circumstances under which I would order the use of our nuclear deterrent; however I'm not going to get into debating my response to hypothetical scenarios that may or not may come about. Situations - and the level of our response - will be judged at the time, according to the threat they pose."

 

[alfredmizen]

answering questions honestly will never get him anywhere, will it...

If , God forbid , this buffoon ever gets near power , he has effectively rendered our nuclear DETERRENT useless you clown.

 

[alfredmizen]

No, not at the highest level of politics it won't - no matter how much you'd like it to. He's being extremely naive and his lack of Front Bench experience is showing. That answer - commendable for its honesty though it might be - will come to haunt him and damage the Labour Party's electoral prospects.

The correct answer would have been:
"I can't conceive of any circumstances under which I would order the use of own nuclear deterrent; however I'm not going to get into debating my response to hypothetical scenarios that may or not may come about. Situations - and the level of our response - will be judged at the time, according to the threat they pose."

this.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If , God forbid , this buffoon ever gets near power , he has effectively rendered our nuclear DETERRENT useless you clown.

We might as well get rid of it then....oh, I can see what Corbyn's done there

 

[Bry Nylon]

If , God forbid , this buffoon ever gets near power , he has effectively rendered our nuclear DETERRENT useless you clown.

Agreed. First rule of diplomacy on the world stage is 'talk softly but carry a big stick.' Corbyn's just lobbed his big stick over the hedge.

 

[Bold Seagull]

If , God forbid , this buffoon ever gets near power , he has effectively rendered our nuclear DETERRENT useless you clown.

I bet the irony is completely lost on you.

 

[alfredmizen]

I bet the irony is completely lost on you.

There is no irony , people like you use that tactic to try and disguise monumental stupidity.

 

[Bold Seagull]

There is no irony , people like you use that tactic to try and disguise monumental stupidity.

At least some people try to disguise it....