Jeremy Corbyn.

[crookie]

Will be a fascinating time coming up if as expected Corbyn wins. People won't be able to claim that all politicians are the same any more. I'm really looking forward to some proper ideological political debate happening, rather than what we have had for the past 25 years which seemed to me to be 3 political parties all having broadly similar philosophies and the arguments/debates seemed just about blowing up minor disagreements on policy. Personally I'm not sure I could ever vote for someone who believes in unilateral nuclear disarmament and withdrawl from NATO, as I think the world is becoming a very dangerous and unstable place. I do believe in fiscal responsibilty and living within our means, but our form of capitalism is not without flaws, and I'm certainly interested to see how Corbyn formulates his business policy. It's one of the areas where I think Miliband really missed a trick, with his "Predatory Capitalism" speech, that never really followed through into anything concrete apart from the badly thought out Energy Price freeze idea.

 

[beorhthelm]

... I do believe in fiscal responsibilty and living within our means, but our form of capitalism is not without flaws, and I'm certainly interested to see how Corbyn formulates his business policy.

well we do know his policy on this: fiscal irresponsible printing money, spending beyond our means on every whim, while hiking taxes for anyone who's a success. people like the idea of nationalisation of a dozen industries, forgetting how much it would cost to do so.

 

[crookie]

well we do know his policy on this: fiscal irresponsible printing money, spending beyond our means on every whim, while hiking taxes for anyone who's a success. people like the idea of nationalisation of a dozen industries, forgetting how much it would cost to do so.

We printed £375 billion in an attempt to increase banks lending to businesses. This led pretty much only to increased asset(house) prices, and did little to oil the real economy, certainly nowhere near £375 billion pounds worth. £10k to every taxpayer at the start of the crisis would undoubtably have given the economy a bigger kickstart. I certainly wouldn't advocate doing it now though

 

[looney]

Will be a fascinating time coming up if as expected Corbyn wins. People won't be able to claim that all politicians are the same any more. I'm really looking forward to some proper ideological political debate happening, rather than what we have had for the past 25 years which seemed to me to be 3 political parties all having broadly similar philosophies and the arguments/debates seemed just about blowing up minor disagreements on policy. Personally I'm not sure I could ever vote for someone who believes in unilateral nuclear disarmament and withdrawl from NATO, as I think the world is becoming a very dangerous and unstable place. I do believe in fiscal responsibilty and living within our means, but our form of capitalism is not without flaws, and I'm certainly interested to see how Corbyn formulates his business policy. It's one of the areas where I think Miliband really missed a trick, with his "Predatory Capitalism" speech, that never really followed through into anything concrete apart from the badly thought out Energy Price freeze idea.

You seem to be under the delusion, as well as many others on here, tha tif JC start preaching vibrant socialism then Cameron will rip off a mask to reveal a dollar signed shirt and capitalist cape and they will go at it old schoo llike the good old days.

As much as I hate Cameron he has proved himself to be no mug and realises that safe and bland easily trumps batshit crazy anyday. Coupled with this Corbyns old school shtick comes under the hubris of tried and failed, and with no soviet monolith knocking about to look up to it will be pissing into the wind.

Corbyn will be a disaster for the labour party, I look forward to his win on saturday.

 

[Gwylan]

I do believe in fiscal responsibilty and living within our means, but our form of capitalism is not without flaws, and I'm certainly interested to see how Corbyn formulates his business policy. It's one of the areas where I think Miliband really missed a trick, with his "Predatory Capitalism" speech, that never really followed through into anything concrete apart from the badly thought out Energy Price freeze idea.

I agree with this: Miliband made some interesting observations there but then completely failed to follow them through.

well we do know his policy on this: fiscal irresponsible printing money, spending beyond our means on every whim, while hiking taxes for anyone who's a success. people like the idea of nationalisation of a dozen industries, forgetting how much it would cost to do so.

Pretty sure that JC is only proposing the nationalisation of rail and utilities - although he does want to establish a national investment bank.

But the point he also makes is that he doesn't decide policy, the Labour Party does. What's going to be interesting is how he's going to match his own personal beliefs with what the party does.

That's IF he wins, I don't think it's quite a done deal yet. He should win but I wouldn't rule out a mysterious bunch of votes going missing

 

[essbee]

I like Corbyn - but I do feel that people are rallying to his cause because he speaks frankly and openly
and that is a breath of fresh air. And he does.

As far as being electable as a PM however - I think the Krankies would stand more of a chance.

 

[beorhthelm]

We printed £375 billion in an attempt to increase banks lending to businesses.

no we have not. we have brought back government bonds to partially shore up bank balance sheets, but mostly to effect technical changes to lending rates and liquidity. if we gave every tax payer 10k for nothing probably would have given the economy a bigger kick, along with a large dose of inflation. house prices have risen because of lack of supply, nothing to do with QE. the crucial difference between QE and Corbyn style printing is that the BoE still holds the bonds and can sell them back to the market, unwinding the position as there is surplus money in the economy. straight printing is a one way injection.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

Bet £16 to win £1 at Ladbrokes on Jezza
They know.
We all know.

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

I voted for him. He's standing up for the traditional values of the party.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Bet £16 to win £1 at Ladbrokes on Jezza
They know.
We all know.

Aye, betting on Corbyn is a 'Money Tree' if you can be bothered.

 

[Surf's Up]

Regarding Corbynomics - getting rid of Trident, reducing the size of the military consistent with having a purely "defence of the realm" role and stripping out all the totally unecessary levels of bureacracy in the NHS and other public services would give him a reasonable war chest would'nt it?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Regarding Corbynomics - getting rid of Trident, reducing the size of the military consistent with having a purely "defence of the realm" role and stripping out all the totally unecessary levels of bureacracy in the NHS and other public services would give him a reasonable war chest would'nt it?

I agree.

 

[Goldstone1976]

Bet £16 to win £1 at Ladbrokes on Jezza
They know.
We all know.

£500 at 2/5 a couple of weeks ago...

 

[Diablo]

I voted for him. He's standing up for the traditional values of the party.

Which Crippled the Party and will do so again..

 

[Hotchilidog]

Regarding Corbynomics - getting rid of Trident, reducing the size of the military consistent with having a purely "defence of the realm" role and stripping out all the totally unecessary levels of bureacracy in the NHS and other public services would give him a reasonable war chest would'nt it?

it will be a start...

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

Which Crippled the Party and will do so again..

In a society in which Govt. controlled austerity is taking money from the OB, NHS, Forces, Poor People etc, and letting Politicians run riot on insane salaries?



I haven't seen this kind of change before, I'm only 23, I only just remember John Major being in power. And yet Jeremy Corbyn is the only one of those four people who seems a compassionate, fair representative for the people.

He's brought so much hope to so many people.

I don't think he'll cripple the party. I think he'll usher in a new age for Labour and the country.

 

[BLOCK F]

Regarding Corbynomics - getting rid of Trident, reducing the size of the military consistent with having a purely "defence of the realm" role and stripping out all the totally unecessary levels of bureacracy in the NHS and other public services would give him a reasonable war chest would'nt it?

Socialists love bureaucracy and red tape, so to think he would do a hatchet job on waste in public services is rather wishful thinking, isn't it? Anyway, thought he was against cuts and austerity.
Ha-ha; cutting bureaucracy and then renationalising the railways and power companies.............you are having a laugh.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Socialists love bureaucracy and red tape.

So do Tories, internal markets?

 

[beorhthelm]

I don't think he'll cripple the party. I think he'll usher in a new age for Labour and the country.

before he is even voted in, there's been constant theme of MPs wanting to distances themselves from him. half the MPs who nominated him have openly stated they wish they hadnt. a group of senior MPs have supposedly been forming a party within the party to oppose him. i read that so few Labour MPs are behind him that he'll struggle to form a complete shadow government, with many briefs left empty past the front bench.

if even half of this is true, thats a crippled party, already more focused on internal fighting than functioning as an effective opposition. the good thing is he'll probably campaign against EU, so its not all bad.

 

[nicko31]

From 11.30am tomorrow we may as well be China, its a one party state for the foreseeable future. Will JC actually say something when he becomes leader?