Jeremy Corbyn.

[Simster]

fair enough with your reservations about my sources, i am sure if corbyn is elected leader these stories will be pursued, it will be interesting to see if he stands by his principles once he has a whiff of genuine power, as for your stand on dialogue, i support it fully, my point about corbyn, which i seem to be fruyitlessly hammering away at , is that corbyn has never indulged in 'dialogue' he's never had the power or a mandate to do this, all he has ever done is offer unconditional support to the IRA , whilst they were fully operational and engaged in a war against the british state, dont forget there were more squaddies killed in NI than both iraq and afghanistan ( though i certainly wouldnt put it on a par with the experiences of soldiers in afghanistan) , THAT, is my problem with corbyn, and anyone who chooses to overlook that, or maybe not overlook it in some cases.

I find it hard to disagree with what you've written. I'd like to see some interview where he explains this tacit support for the IRA - that would be interesting. But too many in the right wing press have traditionally slaughtered left wing people as treacherous when in fact they had been "guilty" of little more than wanting to open a dialogue, hence my deep suspicion.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Fair enough HT, but you havent answered my question about corbyn, in light of his conduct, do you consider him fit to lead not only the labour party, but the country, and by extension the armed forces ?

I haven't given much thought to any of the candidates to be honest. I'm underwhelmed by all of them and still reeling from the disappointment of the last election. I've taken on board what you have written though. I'll also read further and see if I can understand Corbyn's reasons and then decide. I genuinely don't know enough about this particular issue to make an opinion at the moment. I'll let you know next week.

 

[Diablo]

You'll have to take my word for my experiences in south armagh,as for corbyn observing a minutes silence for the provos killed by the SAS at Loughall here are some sources:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7d242bcc-3126-11e5-8873-775ba7c2ea3d.html#axzz3gnOxDKfU

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2015/07/20/news/corbyn-not-envisaged-in-labour-shadow-cabinets-197713/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...Adams-and-Martin-McGuiness-in-Parliament.html

PIRA and their supporters must have been open mouthed with astonishment at behaviour like this.

Having started this thread and being concerned...I now feel like you it would be a disgrace, having read more about him, if Corbyn became Labour Leader....No doubt more stories will come out of the woodwork about him.

 

[Buzzer]

I found out the other day that Corbyn is an enthusiastic believer in homeopathy. He even signed a parliamentary motion calling for NHS to invest in it. That was a game-changer for me, I can tell you. Forget about his support for the IRA and Hamas, we're all entitled to our views and he clearly holds them passionately and I respect that although disagree but I can't take anyone who believes in that pseudo-science quackery seriously.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

I found out the other day that Corbyn is an enthusiastic believer in homeopathy. He even signed a parliamentary motion calling for NHS to invest in it. That was a game-changer for me, I can tell you. Forget about his support for the IRA and Hamas, we're all entitled to our views and he clearly holds them passionately and I respect that although disagree but I can't take anyone who believes in that pseudo-science quackery seriously.

Bugger.

 

[Igzilla]

I found out the other day that Corbyn is an enthusiastic believer in homeopathy. He even signed a parliamentary motion calling for NHS to invest in it. That was a game-changer for me, I can tell you. Forget about his support for the IRA and Hamas, we're all entitled to our views and he clearly holds them passionately and I respect that although disagree but I can't take anyone who believes in that pseudo-science quackery seriously.

This.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Where you and others on this thread fall down is showing zero respect for Conservative voters. They may just be folk who are wise enough to see that the best chance for economic growth and stability lies not with Labour. And even if they are not, if they are all numpties sleepwalking their way to a destiny with food banks, then at least respect the fact that the best way to persuade them otherwise is to take a deep breath, swallow some pride, avoid condescension, and use reason rather than assuming they are stupid.

As opposed to all the Tory voters who respect the Labour voters and "loony lefties" you mean? Of course, two wrongs don't make a right but don't pretend like the Tory voters have some sort of moral high ground. You then go on to tell me I should avoid condescension but deliver a speech saying that the Tory voters are "wise enough" to see their best chance for economic growth is to vote Tory? Hypocritical much? As for their apparent "wisdom" re the economy, I sincerely disagree (see link below as to why). Finally, I don't presume to think Tory voters are stupid. We are, after all, more than the sum of our voting intentions. I can however disagree with their opinions and beliefs all I like.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/george-osborne-genius-how-think.html

 

[KVLT]

I found out the other day that Corbyn is an enthusiastic believer in homeopathy. He even signed a parliamentary motion calling for NHS to invest in it. That was a game-changer for me, I can tell you. Forget about his support for the IRA and Hamas, we're all entitled to our views and he clearly holds them passionately and I respect that although disagree but I can't take anyone who believes in that pseudo-science quackery seriously.

Well we seem happy enough to vote in leaders like CMD and Blair who believe in an imaginary flying zombie

 

[London Irish]

I found out the other day that Corbyn is an enthusiastic believer in homeopathy. He even signed a parliamentary motion calling for NHS to invest in it. That was a game-changer for me, I can tell you. Forget about his support for the IRA and Hamas, we're all entitled to our views and he clearly holds them passionately and I respect that although disagree but I can't take anyone who believes in that pseudo-science quackery seriously.

Out of interest did you say anything about this matter on NSC you clearly feel so strongly about when our future king and head of state backed it?

 

[Danny-Boy]

Bugger.

What are his views on that?

 

[Buzzer]

Out of interest did you say anything about this matter on NSC you clearly feel so strongly about when our future king and head of state backed it?

You know what, I don't think that I have now you come to mention it but then again the upper classes have always had funny ideas when it comes to medicine and I don't particularly think he should be King, so I'm happy to make allowances. I guess I just expected better from Corbyn seeing as he's a Trotskyite and given their orthodox views on the sovereignty of scientific analysis.

 

[London Irish]

You know what, I don't think that I have now you come to mention it but then again the upper classes have always had funny ideas when it comes to medicine and I don't particularly think he should be King, so I'm happy to make allowances. I guess I just expected better from Corbyn seeing as he's a Trotskyite and given their orthodox views on the sovereignty of scientific analysis.

Sure - I guess you can just see how this looks. You've suddenly become a big science guy as soon as Corbyn says something. Seems legit.

 

[alfredmizen]

As opposed to all the Tory voters who respect the Labour voters and "loony lefties" you mean? Of course, two wrongs don't make a right but don't pretend like the Tory voters have some sort of moral high ground. You then go on to tell me I should avoid condescension but deliver a speech saying that the Tory voters are "wise enough" to see their best chance for economic growth is to vote Tory? Hypocritical much? As for their apparent "wisdom" re the economy, I sincerely disagree (see link below as to why). Finally, I don't presume to think Tory voters are stupid. We are, after all, more than the sum of our voting intentions. I can however disagree with their opinions and beliefs all I like.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/george-osborne-genius-how-think.html

So you're happy to vote for Corbyn despite all ive posted about him observing a minutes silence for the provos killled by the SAS at loughall , and inviting the likes of Gerry Adams to westminster just weeks after the brighton bomb, all the while these people were actively engaged in trying to kill British people ? .

 

[Buzzer]

Sure - I guess you can just see how this looks. You've suddenly become a big science guy as soon as Corbyn says something. Seems legit.

Suddenly become a big science guy? Thanks for the compliment but unfortunately I'm no spring chicken...I studied physics at Uni..ooh, let me see...some 25 years ago. Anyway, elsewhere in this thread, I've already said that I think Corbyn should be leader so that the electorate has a real alternative, so it's not as if I've been waiting for a chance to slag him off.

 

[London Irish]

News just in!

http://newsthump.com/2015/07/24/com...hating-pinko-kgb-terrorist-confirm-opponents/

 

[London Irish]

I'll try that again

Commie ******* Jeremy Corbyn is freedom-hating pinko KGB terrorist, confirm opponents



Communist firebrand, Jeremy Corbyn, would force your children into Soviet-style collective farming if elected, according to his opponents for the Labour leadership.

The poorly-dressed Socialist has also vowed to wipe out Israel, aided by the technical know-how of brothers-in-arms Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness. Not to mention Hamas.

Leadership challenger, Yvette Cooper, said, “Jeremy Corbyn would force your averagely-bright child to sit with the thickest, while having lessons in double gayness shoved down his throat by a bearded woman in dungarees.”

“What a *******!”

Unrealistic challenger, Liz Kendall, opined, “Three-day week. Coal miners. Greenham Common. Duffel coats. Cold winters. The right to strike. Investment in the NHS. Social justice. Is this the kind of Britain you want?”

And Andy Burnham had these wise words. “Irresponsible sex. Three-mile Island. Comprehensive schools. Warsaw Pact. Errol Brown. Abba. Power cuts. Muddy football pitches. John Motson in a blizzard. Feeding the ducks with your Granddad before it all went to shit. Terry and June. Rising Damp. Ohhh Miss Jones. Can we really afford that?”

Burnham added, “You saw what happened to the Blue Peter garden?”

Last night freedom-upholding, former PM, Tony Blair, warned, “Corbyn would allow the likes of the Middle East to flourish by failing to kill millions of innocent Iraqi civilians with laser-guided bombs that could split the Labour Party.”

“Anyone who doesn’t want millions of dead Iraqi civilians should get a heart transplant.”

 

[alfredmizen]

I'll try that again

Commie ******* Jeremy Corbyn is freedom-hating pinko KGB terrorist, confirm opponents



Communist firebrand, Jeremy Corbyn, would force your children into Soviet-style collective farming if elected, according to his opponents for the Labour leadership.

The poorly-dressed Socialist has also vowed to wipe out Israel, aided by the technical know-how of brothers-in-arms Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness. Not to mention Hamas.

Leadership challenger, Yvette Cooper, said, “Jeremy Corbyn would force your averagely-bright child to sit with the thickest, while having lessons in double gayness shoved down his throat by a bearded woman in dungarees.”

“What a *******!”

Unrealistic challenger, Liz Kendall, opined, “Three-day week. Coal miners. Greenham Common. Duffel coats. Cold winters. The right to strike. Investment in the NHS. Social justice. Is this the kind of Britain you want?”

And Andy Burnham had these wise words. “Irresponsible sex. Three-mile Island. Comprehensive schools. Warsaw Pact. Errol Brown. Abba. Power cuts. Muddy football pitches. John Motson in a blizzard. Feeding the ducks with your Granddad before it all went to shit. Terry and June. Rising Damp. Ohhh Miss Jones. Can we really afford that?”

Burnham added, “You saw what happened to the Blue Peter garden?”

Last night freedom-upholding, former PM, Tony Blair, warned, “Corbyn would allow the likes of the Middle East to flourish by failing to kill millions of innocent Iraqi civilians with laser-guided bombs that could split the Labour Party.”

“Anyone who doesn’t want millions of dead Iraqi civilians should get a heart transplant.”

You can deflect and try to turn the issue into a joke as much as you like , it will never alter the fact that Jeremy Corbyn has never had the power or a mandate to negotiate a settlement with the PIRA, what he did was quite blatantly show public support for them and their terrorist atrocities whilst they were actively engaged in a campaign of terror against the British state, murdering British people whilst doing so, both soldiers and civilians alike , he invited Gerry Adams , a member of the PIRA army council to westminster , very shortly after they tried to assasinate the British Cabinet in BRIGHTON showing total disregard for any civilian workers in the Grand at the time , he observed a minutes silence for the 8 terrorists killed at Loughall whilst attacking the RUC station there , do you think this is a man fit to be Prime Minister of this country , and if this happens also take command of the armed forces he was so happy to stab in the back by showing such public support for the people engaged in an active campaign of trying to kill them , yes or no ?

 

[warmleyseagull]

As opposed to all the Tory voters who respect the Labour voters and "loony lefties" you mean? Of course, two wrongs don't make a right but don't pretend like the Tory voters have some sort of moral high ground. You then go on to tell me I should avoid condescension but deliver a speech saying that the Tory voters are "wise enough" to see their best chance for economic growth is to vote Tory? Hypocritical much? As for their apparent "wisdom" re the economy, I sincerely disagree (see link below as to why). Finally, I don't presume to think Tory voters are stupid. We are, after all, more than the sum of our voting intentions. I can however disagree with their opinions and beliefs all I like.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/george-osborne-genius-how-think.html

I am sure there are many Conservative voters who show no respect and I have no more time for them than for other parties' lack of respect. Can't see where I pretend they 'have moral high ground'. I carefully used the word 'may' as I am sure there are many in the 11m who voted Conservative for selfish reasons only. I didnt' say 'Tory voters ARE wise enough - I don't know that and would be not be arrogant enough to assume so; all I am saying is that SOME may have had broader economic reasons. In a FPP system, SOME would be enough to hang on to enough marginals to get over the line. Repeat: I don't KNOW that, but assume it is reasonable.

11m people had 11m different reasons to vote as they did and my comments arise from reading those posters who lump all 11m reasons into one. It isn't as simple as that, and pretending it is does the argument an injustice. The left wing has long suffered the problem of believing they are right and cannot understand why anyone would think otherwise. I just think a little empathy would help the cause.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

What are his views on that?

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/10038528258

Healthcare
Homeopathy
Jeremy Corbyn was one of 206 MPs to sign the March 2007 Early Day Motion 1240 calling for the positive recognition of NHS homeopathic hospitals[1].

Following the publication of the House of Commons' Science and Technology Committee's report "Evidence Check 2: Homeopathy" in February 2010, Corbyn signed Early Day Motion 908: Science and Technology Committee Report on Homeopathy, which was critical of the report[2].

He was asked on Twitter why he had signed EDM 908[3]. He replied:

jeremycorbyn @leftoutside I believe that homeo-meds works for some ppl and that it compliments 'convential' meds. they both come from organic matter... (7:33 PM Mar 5th)[4]
In May 2011, Jeremy Corbyn signed Early Day Motion 1820 which welcomed a campaign to "place homeopathy research on the national agenda as a credible scientific field of inquiry" and called for the Government to facilitate research into homeopathy[5].

Herbal Medicines
Jeremy Corbyn has signed a number of Early Day Motions that support the use of herbal medicines. These include EDM 1103: Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive (2005)[6], EDM 1549: Herbal Clinic at The Royal London Homeopathic Hospital (2008)[7], EDM 2080: Herbal Remedies (2008)[8], and EDM 295: Statutory Registration of Herbalists (2009)[9].

 

[alfredmizen]

As opposed to all the Tory voters who respect the Labour voters and "loony lefties" you mean? Of course, two wrongs don't make a right but don't pretend like the Tory voters have some sort of moral high ground. You then go on to tell me I should avoid condescension but deliver a speech saying that the Tory voters are "wise enough" to see their best chance for economic growth is to vote Tory? Hypocritical much? As for their apparent "wisdom" re the economy, I sincerely disagree (see link below as to why). Finally, I don't presume to think Tory voters are stupid. We are, after all, more than the sum of our voting intentions. I can however disagree with their opinions and beliefs all I like.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/george-osborne-genius-how-think.html

I dont know whether youve seen my other post so i'll ask again , So you're happy to vote for Corbyn despite all ive posted about him observing a minutes silence for the provos killled by the SAS at loughall , and inviting the likes of Gerry Adams to westminster just weeks after the brighton bomb, all the while these people were actively engaged in trying to kill British people ? I think your silence tells me what the answer is.