Jeremy Corbyn.

[Thunder Bolt]

This level of criticism two days in, with some big decisions made and important details of policy starting to emerge, is quite reassuring.

FWIW, I add my voice to the optimistic and idealistic "It doesn't have to be like this" camp.

Inequalities in life opportunities and experiences between human beings of equal value in this country, let alone in the world, are obscene. They have always been but we are more aware and more able to do something about it now.

Criticism, or observation? I thought that one of Corbyn's greater attributes was his principles. I can appreciate anyone who sticks to their principles, even when I disagree with them.

 

[ROKERITE]

If Corbyn and his gang ever gained power it would be the end of Great Britain, there would be no coming back from the disaster that they would wreak on this country. As I keep reading, "it doesn't have to be like this". Instead of being a civilised, advanced country we could become a basket case. Fortunately, there remains enough common-sense among the people of this nation to avoid ever electing those who would destroy this precious land.

 

[BigGully]

Inequality is increasing at an alarming and exponential rate. With wealth comes power - and in turn corruption. The return of socialism in Europe has always been inevitable - but it's particularly surprising to see the movement appear even in the USA, with the likes of Bernie Sanders "doing a Corbyn" and gaining a wide and passionate support.

In the 21st century we have the wealth, resources and technology to end poverty - it has become inexcusable for it to not only exist, but actually increase, in civilised modern countries like our own.

The mainstream media is determined to maintain the status quo in servitude of their corporate masters, but with social media the public can now see right through it. The propaganda campaign against Corbyn is already extremely vicious, one-sided and relentless, but his approach of sincerity and cogency seems to be rendering it largely impotent - although there are still many who digest the mantras of the right-wing press, "unelectable" "Conservative government for 20 years" "IRA sympathiser" "commie" and so on and so on - but I have faith in humanity, the intelligence of the public and the power of social media - I am confident that people will listen to what Corbyn and other socialists actually have to say, and it will ultimately win over the support of many, to bring us forward into a progressive, fairer, more prosperous and peaceful world.

There is nothing wrong with being idealistic - it is ideals that brought us the NHS, the welfare system, free education and so on... and it will be ideals that reduce inequality, preserve the environment, end corporatocracy, and ultimately return the power to the people.

Why arent these just policies, you seem to think they are spawned from a superior view ??

 

[Hastings gull]

Inequality is increasing at an alarming and exponential rate. With wealth comes power - and in turn corruption. The return of socialism in Europe has always been inevitable - but it's particularly surprising to see the movement appear even in the USA, with the likes of Bernie Sanders "doing a Corbyn" and gaining a wide and passionate support.

In the 21st century we have the wealth, resources and technology to end poverty - it has become inexcusable for it to not only exist, but actually increase, in civilised modern countries like our own.

The mainstream media is determined to maintain the status quo in servitude of their corporate masters, but with social media the public can now see right through it. The propaganda campaign against Corbyn is already extremely vicious, one-sided and relentless, but his approach of sincerity and cogency seems to be rendering it largely impotent - although there are still many who digest the mantras of the right-wing press, "unelectable" "Conservative government for 20 years" "IRA sympathiser" "commie" and so on and so on - but I have faith in humanity, the intelligence of the public and the power of social media - I am confident that people will listen to what Corbyn and other socialists actually have to say, and it will ultimately win over the support of many, to bring us forward into a progressive, fairer, more prosperous and peaceful world.
There is nothing wrong with being idealistic - it is ideals that brought us the NHS, the welfare system, free education and so on... and it will be ideals that reduce inequality, preserve the environment, end corporatocracy, and ultimately return the power to the people.

What of course you mean is that the intelligence of the public, as you put it, coincides with your views on society. What if that intelligence does not? As to having faith in social media - do you really think that, given the relative anonymity of the internet, one should take this too seriously? Do you believe everything on NSC? Of course there is nothing wrong in idealism, and ideals do carry us forward, provided that those ideals also take into account other factors, such as human nature.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If Corbyn and his gang ever gained power it would be the end of Great Britain

I'm the opposite. I'm starting to feel I can actually relate to my nation now. This hasn't been the case, for me, for a long time.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

If Corbyn and his gang ever gained power it would be the end of Great Britain, there would be no coming back from the disaster that they would wreak on this country. As I keep reading, "it doesn't have to be like this". Instead of being a civilised, advanced country we could become a basket case. Fortunately, there remains enough common-sense among the people of this nation to avoid ever electing those who would destroy this precious land.

Depends hugely on your definition of "civilised" and "advanced", I suspect ours would be different.

 

[Bold Seagull]

If Corbyn and his gang ever gained power it would be the end of Great Britain, there would be no coming back from the disaster that they would wreak on this country. As I keep reading, "it doesn't have to be like this". Instead of being a civilised, advanced country we could become a basket case. Fortunately, there remains enough common-sense among the people of this nation to avoid ever electing those who would destroy this precious land.

I love the smell of hyperbole in the mornings.

 

[FREDBINNEY]

Very very good interview and will hopefully lay to rest some of nonsense which has been spouted about Corbyn and his policies.
[MENTION=21316]ALF[/MENTION]red Mizen. What do you make of his comments about the IRA? Not trying to shit stir, genuinely interested what you think on such a contentious issue for you.

After reading alfred Mizen's post about the squaddie who was incinerated by a car bomb what do you think his fvcking view is ?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

After reading alfred Mizen's post about the squaddie who was incinerated by a car bomb what do you think his fvcking view is ?

I could have guessed. But Mizen also appears to support a number of workers issues which Corbyn does. I was wondering if there is a tipping point where this would out weigh the other in light of McDonald's comments? Clearly not and I understand.

 

[Codner pharmaceuticals]

The big question - is he coming to the game tonight as he is in Brighton?

I'd invite him to my 1901 seat but would be afraid that he'll try to tax me on it and make me share it with everyone else at the TUC congress.

 

[KVLT]

The big question - is he coming to the game tonight as he is in Brighton?

I'd invite him to my 1901 seat but would be afraid that he'll try to tax me on it and make me share it with everyone else at the TUC congress.

Or you could invite Call Me Dave who could pretend to buy a pie to seem like one of us and cheer on the mighty Hammers, sorry I mean Villa.

 

[Hastings gull]

By "intelligence of the public" I mean that we can have an open, honest debate and find better ways to create a fairer and more prosperous world for our people - without the autocratic influence of this corporate world that we have found ourselves living in.
Social media is an unprecedented phenomenon, it is incredibly powerful - even more powerful than the mainstream media - and the corporate and political world know it. Often it should be taken with a pinch of salt, other times it can be the source and catalyst of important social and political movements - for example, Corbyn would not be Labour leader right now, if it wasn't for social media.

Human nature is to want a peaceful, prosperous, healthy, happy world - not just for ourselves and our families, but for everyone living in it. Together we can do more to enforce these ideals with modern and progressive policies - not relying solely on archaic, profit-driven and destructive ideals that benefit the few at the expense of the many, and are perhaps better off left in the 20th century.

Yes, this sounds irresistible and were it only to be achievable. Human nature is indeed what you say in theory, but far too often in practice results in folk wanting more than their fair share, or trying to avoid their commitments. My wife at her school is struggling to get 50p a week donation from any more than two thirds of parents to their child's one-hour long weekly swimming lessons.
I would find your faith in open honest debate more believable, if you did not feel it necessary to qualify it before that debate even started. It might be that many folk do indeed believe in a profit motive.

 

[El Presidente]

His proposals on tax will backfire and only encourage a flight of capital or the use of cunning means to pay even less tax.

I think most people are in favour of a progressive tax system, just as they are in relation to migration, but it is a question of degree. McDonnell's proposals go too far IMO.

Given the track record of government in spending money, in terms of profligacy and subject areas, I would be very reluctant to be taxed at 60% on a significant proportion of my income, so would probably just cut back on the amount of work I do.

 

[BLOCK F]

So in regards to your wife and her struggle to get a 50p donation - my leftist suggestions would include improved state funding, or greater economic equality to allow for increased charitable donations from working/middle class people.

I like many others are convinced that the social darwinism, the dog-eat-dog culture, the rat race, the strongest flourish while the weakest perish, etc, is not good for anyone except those at the top. The example you gave exemplifies how ridiculous it all is, and how it could so easily be fixed if wealth were fairly distributed and/or with greater state support... currently we are experiencing the opposite - a smaller government with less support and greater economic disparity - I am equally convinced that many working/middle class right-wingers such as yourself will come to their senses and realise that this is not a good thing; things could and should be better for everyone.

It is down to Corbyn to convince the British public and the electorate of this over the next five years, but it will be some task with the relentless daily propaganda by the right-wing press.

Yes, tax people more on their 'hard-earned'; that would really encourage them to give more to charity and donations in general, wouldn't it!

 

[ROKERITE]

So in regards to your wife and her struggle to get a 50p donation - my leftist suggestions would include improved state funding, or greater economic equality to allow for increased charitable donations from working/middle class people.

I like many others are convinced that the social darwinism, the dog-eat-dog culture, the rat race, the strongest flourish while the weakest perish, etc, is not good for anyone except those at the top. The example you gave exemplifies how ridiculous it all is, and how it could so easily be fixed if wealth were fairly distributed and/or with greater state support... currently we are experiencing the opposite - a smaller government with less support and greater economic disparity - I am equally convinced that many working/middle class right-wingers such as yourself will come to their senses and realise that this is not a good thing; things could and should be better for everyone.

It is down to Corbyn to convince the British public and the electorate of this over the next five years, but it will be some task with the relentless daily propaganda by the right-wing press.

No, it will be some task because most of the British public and electorate still have far too much common-sense to swallow the ridiculous ideas Corbyn and his gang would attempt to foist on us. Just listen to the rhetoric of Corbyn's deeply unpleasant supporters and it is clear Labour is now the nasty party.
It isn't the very rich who'd suffer if Corbyn was in Downing Street, most of them would disappear with their millions. It's the rest of us, none more so than the poorest, who would suffer once the effects of the left's policies kicked in.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

If Corbyn and his gang ever gained power it would be the end of Great Britain, there would be no coming back from the disaster that they would wreak on this country. As I keep reading, "it doesn't have to be like this". Instead of being a civilised, advanced country we could become a basket case. Fortunately, there remains enough common-sense among the people of this nation to avoid ever electing those who would destroy this precious land.

Fair play to Corbyn, he's already rattling all the right cages

Sooner the rich and powerful start to realise that the UK isn't their own personal fiefdom to be used to obscenely feather their nests at the expense of the 99%, the better.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yes, tax people more on their 'hard-earned'; that would really encourage them to give more to charity and donations in general, wouldn't it!

John McDonnall said he isn't interested with changing the taxes of "people", more the taxes of huge corporations who pay sod all.

 

[BLOCK F]

John McDonnall said he isn't interested with changing the taxes of "people", more the taxes of huge corporations who pay sod all.

Oh yeh, and you believe him !

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

His proposals on tax will backfire and only encourage a flight of capital or the use of cunning means to pay even less tax.

I think most people are in favour of a progressive tax system, just as they are in relation to migration, but it is a question of degree. McDonnell's proposals go too far IMO.

Given the track record of government in spending money, in terms of profligacy and subject areas, I would be very reluctant to be taxed at 60% on a significant proportion of my income, so would probably just cut back on the amount of work I do.

What proposals are these? In the link posted earlier he said he was more interested in taxing business as opposed to people? Has he said anything about personal tax since he got his new position?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Oh yeh, and you believe him !

For now I will. I have no reason to not believe him at the moment.