Jeremy Corbyn.

[essbee]

No. Landslide for Liz Kendall.

Beat me to it PM

 

[Bladders]

Sorry, I've been away all weekend and not seen the News - did he get in then?

Go Liz!

 

[essbee]

Rubbish. I post about craft beer as well.

I can verify that Herr T doesn't talk sh*t about just one subject. He can do it on many
topics

 

[pastafarian]

with everyone(half a dozen) now returning to Labour from the Greens,is this the end of the Caroline Lucas roadshow?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I can verify that Herr T doesn't talk sh*t about just one subject. He can do it on many
topics

 

[bWize]

That is because people on NSC were lucky enough to be brought up in the free market and freedom of the West. The mantra of it is an unworkable utopia also is wrong. It is not a utopia being told what to do by the state. If you had friends who were unfortunate enough to have suffered under socialism then you wouldnt buy the line that it is a cuddly, nice system. It is an immoral infringement of an individuals rights. At it's core socialism believes that a politician will decide what resources are put into what instead of letting us, the people decide what it is we want. The control of the market and the consequential infringement in our civil liberties is immoral and those of you who back this socialist should hang your heads in shame. Socialism caused the greatest tyranny that Europe has seen in both the USSR and Germany. At both their core was a politician / state official run system, as against our freedom of the individual.

What you are saying isn't in anyway related to what Corbyn or the latest left movement aspire to though! They are worlds apart from what you keep rattling on about! (no offense) just isn't really relevent to the whole situation. A lot of people have been desperate for a fairer and transparent real alternative and choice with whom they can vote with conviction and what they truly believe in for a better society and life (this option has been denied for a while now)

What's been on offer since the Blair era has been unacceptable (Lib Dems in bed with the Tories, false promises, a laughably weak Labour party who shamelessly nodded along whilst collecting salaries) leaving a large majority having lost all faith in politics. That's all changed now! If anything It's the current government that wants factories full of robotic workers on low pay working like communists and trying to take more and more rights away from us and more comparable to your communist based German/Eastern European rants.

 

[essbee]

Only joking HT

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

with everyone(half a dozen) now returning to Labour from the Greens,is this the end of the Caroline Lucas roadshow?

As already mentioned 8K plus majority, another party would need a big candidate with a big swing to unseat her.

 

[Castello]

As another tired old cynic, I woke up this morning with a mix of excitement and aprehension. I also resigned from the party some time ago (over Blair's mad plan to give state funding to any religious school; my objection was that making more schools 'religious' under state sanction would foster sectarianism, a la Ulster and parts of Scotland) rather than Iraq, which I though was justified by Saddam's 10 years of Blix-dodging (and did not require there to actually be any WMD, although Blair messed that one up by being too thick to realise that actual WMD (or pretending there were some) was either neccessary (or ethical, respectively)). The daft ****. And that was long before we found that some state funded Islamic schools were segregating the sexes and belittling other religions, while some state funded Christian schools (non C of E, mind) were teaching that evolution is a myth, FFS. Religion and education don't mix. If you want religion in your kids education, go and pay for it (as long as it doesn't promote hate and prejudice.... some hope of that, not).

Anyway, my emotions were summed up nicely when the long version of Soviet Snow by Shona Liang popped up on my hi fi (I said I was old) this morning. Wistful, nostalgic, optimistic, naive, hopeful and apprehensive. But better than bored, cynical, resigned to increasing apathy especially among the non voting yoof of today, and one eye on retirement an death. One eye on the winter, indeed. Hopefully a different kind of discontent.

Its a great track, by the way - what a voice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbLL5mekc34

This ....

Welcome. I read another 10,000 joined yesterday alone. Interesting times.

Whilst NSC far from represents the electorate it is interesting to note posters like yourself, and a number of others, who are saying they're either rejoining the party and/or feeling re-engaged with politics and interested in listening to what Corbyn has to say.

and this ....

Just feels so damn good to have some Old Labour values to believe in again finally, rather than be faced with a line-up of ToryLite Blue Peter presenters. Corbyn might well crash and burn. There's certainly a massive Tory press gathering out to get him earlydoors. Pretty large New Labour whisperings also. But at least he will give it a real good go, same as Syriza did in Greece. And he'll win a shitload of points over Cameron in the Commons just by calmly, honestly and eloquently speaking up on behalf of those currently being bullied on the sharp end of the Tory austerity measures. Who knows, maybe the odd fully-deserving banker will have the shit kicked out of them in th ecourts. Or maybe the odd multi-national will be forced to pay a bit of tax. This time around, things CAN only get better.

and mostly this.

I was out yesterday on a demonstration in support of refugees. The demonstration was organised in 10 days, it had 50000 to 100000 people on it. The message had spread like wildfire through social media. Ive been on many demos in my life starting in the early 80's. As I've grown older the people on the demos have grown older with less and less young people. in the last 5 years that has started to change . ... more and more young people are getting out. unable to find a voice through the labour party. The spirit of the march after hearing the corbyn result was one of celebration.

Last year in scotland you saw young people leading a vibrant independence campaign. Yesterday about 90% were in their twenties or younger.

We are not in the 1980's. We're in 2015 with a new much quicker means of communication, one that is uncontrolled by the establishment like the old media is. Whilst the BBC attacks corbyn this new generation of dissent cheer him on face book twitter et all. Theyre not watching panorama nor newnight. The BBC is talking to the type of people who are naysayers on here. stuck in old time thinking, old time ideas and totally clueless about what is going on around them. Politics isnt limited to mid sussex nor to be fair to Haringey. Its happening all over. It isnt about left or right. There are people in agreement with me on here, that dont have the same ideas as me, other than this:

Politics is about the use of power to change things. its should not be about control, enforced agreement or silencing of debate. it should be about tolerant and informed discussion of different ideas., using reason and evidence, not guesswork hope or prejudice to guide the discussion. But most of all it should be about visons, positive ideas to create a brighter future, and most of all about hope.

I may sound naive and idealistic, but I much prefer feeling this way even at 57 than feeling depressed and negative, thinking I know what the future holds and poo pooing any new idea. This feeling has been growing for a couple of years and Corbyn is part of that. As Tom Hark says it may crash and burn, and we go back to the dark cynicism, personally i dont think so. But at least Im doing something to make change how I want it. At least I am having the debate that I want about how austerity doesnt work, rather than watching a controlled bland emotionless chat about how much to take from peoples pockets to give to the rich.

I also know this. If I do nothing I achieve nothing. If I say what I want and work to get it, I may just get what I want.

So all the naysayers keep showing your ignorance. at worst you're an annoying background buzz. All across the western world from the US to Greece to here we are seeing new awakening, a new generation of dissent. It may lose, but it has a better chance of succeeding if naysayers are still blinded by the past and unable to see what is happening.

 

[Bry Nylon]

The bloke is fvcked, even before he starts. Take just one policy; "withdraw from NATO." Complete non-starter, unless you are utterly deluded. Even Tom Watson doesn't agree with that. Utterly unelectable - but I can see why he would appeal to the NUS.

Labour MPs have stated that tomorrow they will start the process of starting a vote of no-confidence in their new leader - the man who hasn't held any front bench position in a 30-year Parliamentary career. Massive embarrasment to the Party and a legacy of Miliband's inability to think anything through.

I reckon he'll be gone by the New Year, but I hope I am wrong.

 

[nicko31]

This ....



and this ....



and mostly this.

I was out yesterday on a demonstration in support of refugees. The demonstration was organised in 10 days, it had 50000 to 100000 people on it. The message had spread like wildfire through social media. Ive been on many demos in my life starting in the early 80's. As I've grown older the people on the demos have grown older with less and less young people. in the last 5 years that has started to change . ... more and more young people are getting out. unable to find a voice through the labour party. The spirit of the march after hearing the corbyn result was one of celebration.

Last year in scotland you saw young people leading a vibrant independence campaign. Yesterday about 90% were in their twenties or younger.

We are not in the 1980's. We're in 2015 with a new much quicker means of communication, one that is uncontrolled by the establishment like the old media is. Whilst the BBC attacks corbyn this new generation of dissent cheer him on face book twitter et all. Theyre not watching panorama nor newnight. The BBC is talking to the type of people who are naysayers on here. stuck in old time thinking, old time ideas and totally clueless about what is going on around them. Politics isnt limited to mid sussex nor to be fair to Haringey. Its happening all over. It isnt about left or right. There are people in agreement with me on here, that dont have the same ideas as me, other than this:

Politics is about the use of power to change things. its should not be about control, enforced agreement or silencing of debate. it should be about tolerant and informed discussion of different ideas., using reason and evidence, not guesswork hope or prejudice to guide the discussion. But most of all it should be about visons, positive ideas to create a brighter future, and most of all about hope.

I may sound naive and idealistic, but I much prefer feeling this way even at 57 than feeling depressed and negative, thinking I know what the future holds and poo pooing any new idea. This feeling has been growing for a couple of years and Corbyn is part of that. As Tom Hark says it may crash and burn, and we go back to the dark cynicism, personally i dont think so. But at least Im doing something to make change how I want it. At least I am having the debate that I want about how austerity doesnt work, rather than watching a controlled bland emotionless chat about how much to take from peoples pockets to give to the rich.

I also know this. If I do nothing I achieve nothing. If I say what I want and work to get it, I may just get what I want.

So all the naysayers keep showing your ignorance. at worst you're an annoying background buzz. All across the western world from the US to Greece to here we are seeing new awakening, a new generation of dissent. It may lose, but it has a better chance of succeeding if naysayers are still blinded by the past and unable to see what is happening.

If you can handle the weather, I'd suggest you move to Scotland they already have a party looking for a socialist Utopia and they're in power. All you will get in England is the Tories until at least 2025 and fustration...

 

[pastafarian]

The bloke is fvcked, even before he starts. Take just one policy; "withdraw from NATO." Complete non-starter, unless you are utterly deluded. Even Tom Watson doesn't agree with that. Utterly unelectable - but I can see why he would appeal to the NUS.

Labour MPs have stated that tomorrow they will start the process of starting a vote of no-confidence in their new leader - the man who hasn't held any front bench position in a 30-year Parliamentary career. Massive embarrasment to the Party and a legacy of Miliband's inability to think anything through.

I reckon he'll be gone by the New Year, but I hope I am wrong.

I cant actually see him even attempting to pursue the idea of leaving.The general public do not want to leave NATO.If he knows whats good for him he is best to keep these ideas to himself and instead tag along with sensible reasoning and stay in NATO.

 

[The Rivet]

Corbyn, a conservative gift that will keep on giving. Well, maybe until Christmas.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I cant actually see him even attempting to pursue the idea of leaving.The general public do not want to leave NATO.If he knows whats good for him he is best to keep these ideas to himself and instead tag along with sensible reasoning and stay in NATO.

Good point. I think he has 3 choices

1. Take note of the fact he has not previously had any committee experience let alone as chair, and accept that the party can never be the embodyment of one person's view, and make some compromises

2. Refuse to compromise and attempt to force through his every wildest dream.

3. Faff for a bit, then resigh.

I'm pretty confident he'll go for option 1. The risk from this is explaining away the 'U turns' (remember those from the Thatcher era and her scorn for them? - I hope he'll make a virtue of 'the man is for turning - in the best direction available'. Still . . . this does worry me a bit.

 

[essbee]

If you can handle the weather, I'd suggest you move to Scotland they already have a party looking for a socialist Utopia and they're in power. All you will get in England is the Tories until at least 2025 and fustration...

This.

Labour is f***ed until 2020's at least. And that upsets me as much as anyone.

 

[jakarta]

To paraphrase Talleyrand the Labour Left appear to Have Forgotten Nothing and Learnt Nothing

 

[dangull]

Will he still go with his former policy of supporting Sinn fein and Irish unification?

 

[pastafarian]

Good point. I think he has 3 choices

1. Take note of the fact he has not previously had any committee experience let alone as chair, and accept that the party can never be the embodyment of one person's view, and make some compromises

2. Refuse to compromise and attempt to force through his every wildest dream.

3. Faff for a bit, then resigh.

I'm pretty confident he'll go for option 1. The risk from this is explaining away the 'U turns' (remember those from the Thatcher era and her scorn for them? - I hope he'll make a virtue of 'the man is for turning - in the best direction available'. Still . . . this does worry me a bit.

it will have to be a u- turn or compromise,whatever its called though the only people that will be disappointed will be the people that have decided to engage in politics for the first time buying fully into the Corbyn message.It will be a harsh reality check for them,the rest of us will see it as it is......... just normal politics

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The bloke is fvcked, even before he starts. Take just one policy; "withdraw from NATO." Complete non-starter, unless you are utterly deluded. Even Tom Watson doesn't agree with that. Utterly unelectable - but I can see why he would appeal to the NUS.

Labour MPs have stated that tomorrow they will start the process of starting a vote of no-confidence in their new leader - the man who hasn't held any front bench position in a 30-year Parliamentary career. Massive embarrasment to the Party and a legacy of Miliband's inability to think anything through.

I reckon he'll be gone by the New Year, but I hope I am wrong.

If this is true it just shows the arrogance of MPs. I'll be disappointed if they do this. MPs need to understand they serve us, they're our servants. The party voted for Corbyn and the party is more than just the parliamentary party.

 

[nicko31]

Anyone who is left of centre is now in the political widlerness, who do you vote for now?