Jeremy Corbyn.

[spring hall convert]

so leon brittan , who as we now know was a paedophile , went to a notorious paedophile brothel , to carry out negotiations with sinn fein ? That , is an insult to the intelligence of not just me, but anyone who reads that post.

That's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that the British establishment, including top echelons of the diplomatic core and MI5/6 and numerous members of the Thatcher Government, were regularly in contact with Sinn Fein in this context. I would suggest this offered grave national security concerns, above and beyond anything that Corbyn did.

 

[glasfryn]

*****sigh***** what will it take to get through to you ?? The queen, prince charles, politicians who matter etc HAVE to meet the likes of adams and mcguiness though they probably hold their noses whilst doing so, corbyn, a politician who up until recently and probably in the future , didnt matter , DIDNT have to meet them , he also didnt ''negotiate'' with them , he met them to show support , is that clear enough for you ? i really cant break down into anything simpler.

no they don't
they do it in the interests of peace
I am sure you would love the war to still be going on in Ireland ,..........but its not get over it

 

[glasfryn]

That means you would give the lifebelt to Harold Shipman ahead of someone from Mexico?

or even Jerremy Corbyn

 

[alfredmizen]

That's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that the British establishment, including top echelons of the diplomatic core and MI5/6 and numerous members of the Thatcher Government, were regularly in contact with Sinn Fein in this context. I would suggest this offered grave national security concerns, above and beyond anything that Corbyn did.

yes id agree with this , a definite cause for concern , security wise, can you now point me towards the part where ive stated that corbyns support for the PIRA would've been a cause for concern security wise ?? Thats right you cant , because i havent said it , it was treachery , plain and simple, and i fail to see how anyone with a modicum of patriotism can support corbyn.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

jesus fvcking wept when will it get through thatcher , blair and the others did it as part of negotiations /peace talks etc , CORBYN NEVER HAD THE MANDATE TO DO THIS , WAS NEVER IN A POSITION TO DO THIS, HE JUST PUBLICLY SUPPORTED THEM WHILST THEY WERE CARRYING OUT MURDERS OF BRITISH MILITARY/POLICE/PRISON OFFICERS AND CIVILIANS , can you really not tell the difference ??

You can shout, bold and underline as much as you like it doesn't make your argument any more valid. Why don't we rewind to a time before the IRA murdered our soldiers and civilians ( and royal family ) and remember the disgusting atrocities the BRITISH ( see I can do that as well ? ) carried out against the Irish - starvation, summary execution and illegal imprisonment. You seem to have forgotten this part of the story.

 

[alfredmizen]

no they don't
they do it in the interests of peace
I am sure you would love the war to still be going on in Ireland ,..........but its not get over it

Youre a congenital idiot , you literally cannot grasp the simplest of concepts.ive explained about my support for the GFA etc, and you still cannot grasp my point , i give up , youre just too thick , either that or you do but just wont admit it.

 

[spring hall convert]

yes id agree with this , a definite cause for concern , security wise, can you now point me towards the part where ive stated that corbyns support for the PIRA would've been a cause for concern security wise ?? Thats right you cant , because i havent said it , it was treachery , plain and simple, and i fail to see how anyone with a modicum of patriotism can support corbyn.

Which was the bigger danger?

 

[alfredmizen]

You can shout, bold and underline as much as you like it doesn't make your argument any more valid. Why don't we rewind to a time before the IRA murdered our soldiers and civilians ( and royal family ) and remember the disgusting atrocities the BRITISH ( see I can do that as well ? ) carried out against the Irish - starvation, summary execution and illegal imprisonment. You seem to have forgotten this part of the story.

Apart from the fact that they were murdering our soldiers and civilians in the 1916 war of independence ( you obviously dont know your history as well as you think) , how on earth does the fact that the british carried out atrocities in 1916, excuse corbyn from showing public support for terrorists 70 years later , how exactly ?

 

[El Presidente]

konnie huq or archie panjabi ??

The problem with Konnie Hug, is that her husband is Charlie Brooker, who is a smug ****.

 

[alfredmizen]

Which was the bigger danger?

obviously brittan , how does this affect my point about corbyn ? how ?

 

[alfredmizen]

The problem with Konnie Hug, is that her husband is Charlie Brooker, who is a smug ****.

which would surely make it all the sweeter ?

 

[glasfryn]

Youre a congenital idiot , you literally cannot grasp the simplest of concepts.ive explained about my support for the GFA etc, and you still cannot grasp my point , i give up , youre just too thick , either that or you do but just wont admit it.

if you are an example of whats in our army now I give up, you are a bully , if someone does not agree with your point of view they are either cowards, thick, stupid or an idiot, now I am none of those and I believe most on here are not either.
I'd take that badge you have as an avatar off if I were you, as you are making them look a little silly AND I AM SURE THEY ARE NOT.
you are obviously not any longer in the army (thats if you ever were) start acting like a normal civilian, stop being a bully

 

[spring hall convert]

obviously brittan , how does this affect my point about corbyn ? how ?

It doesn't, I started this because you started to invoke the Brighton bomb and the great and glorious Thatcher a few posts back, which made me a little ill.

I've read your point about Corbyn across two threads and forcefully made. I know it's a bitter pill for you but the fortunate thing for Corbyn is that history appears to have made him a bellweather rather than a traitor. I don't deny that you personally might have a reason to be aggrieved about that.

 

[alfredmizen]

if you are an example of whats in our army now I give up, you are a bully , if someone does not agree with your point of view they are either cowards, thick, stupid or an idiot, now I am none of those and I believe most on here are not either.
I'd take that badge you have as an avatar off if I were you, as you are making them look a little silly AND I AM SURE THEY ARE NOT.
you are obviously not any longer in the army (thats if you ever were) start acting like a normal civilian, stop being a bully

seriously , what can you not understand about the point i made , corbyn was NEVER in negotiations with the IRA , he publicly supported their terrorist campaign, can you REALLY not understand the difference between him and the politicians that WERE in negotiations ??

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Apart from the fact that they were murdering our soldiers and civilians in the 1916 war of independence ( you obviously dont know your history as well as you think) , how on earth does the fact that the british carried out atrocities in 1916, excuse corbyn from showing public support for terrorists 70 years later , how exactly ?

They were indeed killing our soldiers in 1916 but as you even admit it was a war so that's what both sides do in war - care to highlight what British citizens were killed in that war ? It is relevant because we, the British, started the conflict - we were invaders. We then murdered Irish civilians using trumped up charges as an excuse to execute them. We then starved many others to death. THAT is why the IRA came into being. I don't condone their tactics and I certainly don't agree with two IRA being allowed into our parliament but only a fool would suggest we didn't bring the conflict upon ourselves - or are we suggesting that Germany didn't invite war by invading Poland. But I do understand their beef with the British - I would hold their views if say France decided to invade Sussex and would have no hesitation in attacking their forces.

I have the utmost respect for our armed forces - I have many family members who have served in the Army and Navy and mates still in the RAF - and I have worked directly with the forces in various jobs BUT that doesn't mean we as a nation are blameless for the atrocities that happened in Ireland.

 

[El Presidente]

which would surely make it all the sweeter ?

But if you gave the lifebelt to the Mexican it would mean you could have Konnie all to yourself!

 

[alfredmizen]

It doesn't, I started this because you started to invoke the Brighton bomb and the great and glorious Thatcher a few posts back, which made me a little ill.

I've read your point about Corbyn across two threads and forcefully made. I know it's a bitter pill for you but the fortunate thing for Corbyn is that history appears to have made him a bellweather rather than a traitor. I don't deny that you personally might have a reason to be aggrieved about that.

it might've made you ill, the fact that they had no regard whatsoever for civilian staff working there and corbyn hobnobbing with adams days later should've sickened you to the very core.Coirbyn is a traitor for the very fact he SUPPORTED the IRA campaign, the same as livingstone, they may have predicted peace, but its treachery all the same.

 

[alfredmizen]

They were indeed killing our soldiers in 1916 but as you even admit it was a war so that's what both sides do in war - care to highlight what British citizens were killed in that war ? It is relevant because we, the British, started the conflict - we were invaders. We then murdered Irish civilians using trumped up charges as an excuse to execute them. We then starved many others to death. THAT is why the IRA came into being. I don't condone their tactics and I certainly don't agree with two IRA being allowed into our parliament but only a fool would suggest we didn't bring the conflict upon ourselves - or are we suggesting that Germany didn't invite war by invading Poland. But I do understand their beef with the British - I would hold their views if say France decided to invade Sussex and would have no hesitation in attacking their forces.

I have the utmost respect for our armed forces - I have many family members who have served in the Army and Navy and mates still in the RAF - and I have worked directly with the forces in various jobs BUT that doesn't mean we as a nation are blameless for the atrocities that happened in Ireland.

yes, all very true and all that, we did carry out atrocities in 1916 blah , blah blah, so you agree with the IRA campaign from 1968 until the GFA then ??

 

[Westdene Seagull]

yes, all very true and all that, we did carry out atrocities in 1916 blah , blah blah, so you agree with the IRA campaign from 1968 until the GFA then ??

I sympathise with their aims of ridding themselves of their invaders - I don't agree with their tactics.

Nice that you can be so casual in dismissing our crimes but Corbyn meeting the IRA is so unforgivable.

 

[alfredmizen]

I sympathise with their aims of ridding themselves of their invaders - I don't agree with their tactics.

so you'd be sympathetic to australian aborigines ridding themselves of their invaders ? especially since they've been there less time that the ulster scots/english have been in ireland, and the same for native americans , yes ?