[Politics] Jeremy Corbyn said........

[JC Footy Genius]

What are you basing that on?

Wishful thinking?

 

[dingodan]

Wishful thinking?

Watching too much BBC News probably.

 

[Gwylan]

The man's a complete buffoon. His only interest is to gain power at any cost.

There are many things that Corbyn can be accused of but a guy who has spent more than 30 years on the back benches can scarcely be described as power-hungry.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

If that man gets in to power, our borders will be swung right open, like labour did the last time they where in power.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Ignoring the troll above, this is where I am politically right now. The Lib Dems, rightly or wrongly are blamed for the non-excesses of the coalition government, and it WILL take a new centrist party, pro-Europe to stabilise British politics. The past few days have shown that there are a number of centre leaning Tories who are increasingly alarmed with the way their party is headed, and there are many labour MPs / member / voters who aren't on board with the Corbyn agenda, particularly in relation to Brexit.

I will almost certainly be voting Lib Dem for now, as there is no viable alternative, but as soon as there is I hope they can tap into the worried majority that dislike where we're headed.

Lib Dems, deary me what a waste of space they are as proven at the last election
regards
DR

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Lib Dems, deary me what a waste of space they are as proven at the last election
regards
DR

I'm assuming in real life you're not as per your online persona, and this is either an exaggeration of you or just for a laugh?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I'm assuming in real life you're not as per your online persona, and this is either an exaggeration of you or just for a laugh?

Glegg got his just rewards and I don't mean his knight hood ,caroline lucas and the Greens are on a par with them in my opinion
regards
DR

 

[Pavilionaire]

Most people with an iota of common sense understand exactly what those who want a second referendum on the final deal really mean.

A second referendum is the sword of damacles that they want to hang over the Brexit negotiations and would mean the EU would offer unacceptable terms in order to trigger the said second referendum.

These people would be more honest brokers if they said “if we get power we will simply reverse the referendum result”.........but like the politicians they want to distance themselves from they are not honest enough for that.

Nothing new about that approach to politics.

To be honest I doubt whether the terms offered from the EU would be any different with or without a second referendum in the diary.

Suggestions of the EU seeking to punish the UK, or try and steer our electorate into a particular direction are pure speculation and nothing more. They will seek to get the best deal for the EU - it is not in their interest to have a weak UK market for their goods, but similarly they won't need to bend over backwards to accommodate us because they will benefit from the relocation of jobs, capital and business from the UK to the EU once we leave. Barnier seems to be playing it straight, and there is very little dissent within the 27, no evidence that there is any appetite for punishing the UK.

 

[Chicken Run]

He’ll be siding with known terrorists next, on a serious note what do you expect from someone who protests for a living? He’s never done an honest days work in his life!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42951817

Is there anything that this bloke, nah stuff it, apologist won't promise to try and get a vote? Even if he will never actually deliver.

If Jeremy wants to start issuing apologies perhaps he should start with the living ..



.. oh Jeremy Corbyn

 

[cunning fergus]

To be honest I doubt whether the terms offered from the EU would be any different with or without a second referendum in the diary.

Suggestions of the EU seeking to punish the UK, or try and steer our electorate into a particular direction are pure speculation and nothing more. They will seek to get the best deal for the EU - it is not in their interest to have a weak UK market for their goods, but similarly they won't need to bend over backwards to accommodate us because they will benefit from the relocation of jobs, capital and business from the UK to the EU once we leave. Barnier seems to be playing it straight, and there is very little dissent within the 27, no evidence that there is any appetite for punishing the UK.

I agree with you up to a point, broadly this is too big an issue for petty games, and I think for now the 27 are in broad agreement. Furthermore some countries in the 27 will not want to jeopardise trade/investment with the UK given their own position. Ireland, Portugal and Spain are classic examples of such countries.

However that does not alter my point about the Brexit negotiations and the motives behind a second referendum on the deal. This is the final opportunity for Remainers to, well, remain. If this constituency (and its political advocates) were honest about it, they would say they don’t want a good deal, because a good deal would undermine their ultimate cause.

They want as worse a deal as is possible to colour the calling for a second referendum. They should be honest about this, and they would have more credibility with the electorate this way, because like the Emperor’s new clothes those of us with an ounce of nous about negotiations etc. can see their little todgers.

 

[BigGully]

There are many things that Corbyn can be accused of but a guy who has spent more than 30 years on the back benches can scarcely be described as power-hungry.

or any good ........

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

To be honest I doubt whether the terms offered from the EU would be any different with or without a second referendum in the diary.

Suggestions of the EU seeking to punish the UK, or try and steer our electorate into a particular direction are pure speculation and nothing more. They will seek to get the best deal for the EU - it is not in their interest to have a weak UK market for their goods, but similarly they won't need to bend over backwards to accommodate us because they will benefit from the relocation of jobs, capital and business from the UK to the EU once we leave. Barnier seems to be playing it straight, and there is very little dissent within the 27, no evidence that there is any appetite for punishing the UK.

Cunning Fergus is permanently banned from the Brexit thread. Hence he is steering other threads onto the EU. Don’t get sucked in.

 

[vegster]

or any good ........

30 years is an awful lot of re-elections.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Corbyn can only be the future if he decides to oppose Brexit quite soon, otherwise he'll go down with the Tories. The core public support he has is massively Pro Remain, and his stance as enabler for this will kill his chances.

Can you quantify this assertion ? There are certainly plenty of middle class liberals in places like Brighton who support JC. Equally there are many traditional, working class (and pro BREXIT) voters who vote Labour. JC won’t abandon BREXIT because it is one of his core beliefs as a socialist as was the case with Tony Benn. You are asking him to support free markets for multinationals with all the consequent concentrations of capital and inequality. He won’t do this to appease the middle classes who have done very well out of the EU at the expense of the poor.
As to the OP’s link. I don’t really see the problem in highlighting the issue of women’s rights. Am I missing something?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What is the point of pardoning women who have been long dead? They did break the law to try to force the votes. The first world war did a lot more for pointing out the value of women (such as the formation of the WRNS) some of whom died for their country.
It cannot be compared to pardoning homosexuals as that is far more recent in 1967, and affects men who are still alive.

Corbyn will not back Remain or even a soft Brexit. He wants us out as much as the Tories.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

What is the point of pardoning women who have been long dead?

Recognising and correcting a previous error? I see it as nothing more than simple decency.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Recognising and correcting a previous error? I see it as nothing more than simple decency.

Why was it an error to jail someone for arson? Arson is a crime. As I said, women were given the vote in 1918, as their value and contribution to the war effort spoke volumes, rather than acts of 'terrorism'.

Switzerland didn't give women the vote until 1971, but I don't remember wholesale law breaking there.

 

[dingodan]

What is the point of pardoning women who have been long dead? They did break the law to try to force the votes. The first world war did a lot more for pointing out the value of women (such as the formation of the WRNS) some of whom died for their country.
It cannot be compared to pardoning homosexuals as that is far more recent in 1967, and affects men who are still alive.

Corbyn will not back Remain or even a soft Brexit. He wants us out as much as the Tories.

They committed arson, being gay is not equatable to committing arson. Being gay is also rightly no longer a crime, last time I checked arson still is.

 

[DavidRyder]

Regardless of who's in power, the opposition will always come up with policies/soundbites that they know people will want to hear - often with the knowledge that they are unlikely to win the election, and so won't have to follow through with it. But it'll win votes, win seats. Bit like promising to do away with tuition fees, then saying (after votes cast) that actually it's not that easy after all.