JC to stay on even after electoral annhilation

[Gwylan]

rather than talking about David M missing an open goal, I think it is all Len McCluskey's fault. As the Gen Sec of Unite the Union, he supported Ed Miliband and turned, I would perceive, the Union vote behind him. Good old Len is also probably the principal supporter of Jezza.

One union leader doesn't have that much power any more - the union block vote went in 1993. No, David M lost because he was lousy campaigner. His brother spoke better and worked harder at pulling in uncommitted voters.

 

[jakarta]

Big words sound good .... However "Sanctimonious" ? Cameron may have been and even Tony Blair but not Theresa May. "Patronising" really ? Can you explain ? and "Hypocrite" aren`t all politicians to some degree ?

I`d say May less than most.

I would say the word that describes her is Lucky.

Given the situation she inherited to have no-hopers such as Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott facing her across the Despatch Box must make her feel like the luckiest UK Politician in a generation.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Big words sound good .... However "Sanctimonious" ? Cameron may have been and even Tony Blair but not Theresa May. "Patronising" really ? Can you explain ? and "Hypocrite" aren`t all politicians to some degree ?

I`d say May less than most.

Sanctimonious - the idea that (possibly exaggerated by Private Eye) she is the daughter of a vicar has not exactly been hidden. (Neither does such a background guarantee that someone is right - Apartheid was brought in on religious grounds, after all). The Vicar's daughter bit has led her to make comments about Social Justice and so on, but I will believe it when I see it, and fear that it will come out on the basis of "judging" the deserving and undeserving poor, which is not Christian.

Patronising - is how all the "Strong and Stable" and "Uniting Britain" gets me - and possibly just me. Her manner and tone in interviews, Party political broadcasts and the like is really getting to me in a very negative way.

Hypocrite - underneath it all, I just have an inkling that she is doing things that she doesn't really believe in. She was not a pre-eminent Brexiteer before the Referendum, after all, and while one can accept that she accepts the verdict of the nation, I find it difficult to think that she really goes along with the "hardness" of the BREXIT that is evolving.

This is all my own personal view, and I am not expecting anybody else to subscribe to it.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

One union leader doesn't have that much power any more - the union block vote went in 1993. No, David M lost because he was lousy campaigner. His brother spoke better and worked harder at pulling in uncommitted voters.

Fair enough. But he can still influence without block votes

But I still don't like Len McCluskey.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

It's about May getting a significant majority to do exactly as she pleases (currently her own backbenchers keep getting in the way of the really bad stuff,) whilst making as few solid commitments as she possibly can away with, all the while using the doomed Brexit 'negotiations' as a subterfuge.

That's fairly well my reading of it too.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I've always voted conservative. I more than likely always will. However, the death of the Labour party is not something I want to see. Corbyn will destroy it if he is allowed.

If it's not dead already then it's in a coma.

Brown was a failure, Red Ed was a disappointment, Jezza has been a disaster. Backing Brexit loses you 48% of the country right there. Backing nuclear disarmament loses you two-thirds of what's left, being a republican will lose you half of that, and being a beardy old git will lose you half again. By my reckoning 4.33% of voters back Corbyn and anyone else voting Labour is doing it tactically or out of habit.

Yet Corbyn has won not one but TWO leadership elections within the Labour Party, so can such a party EVER regain what shred of credibility they had left in the first place?

 

[Hastings gull]

My Dad has voted Tory in every election since 1970. Staunch Tory, Maggie his political hero.

For the first time in his life he won't be voting Tory. He is like a lost soul, doesn't know what he's going to do. Can't stand the fact May so blatantly breaks her promises. Cannot trust someone who campaigned on one thing, but now wholeheartedly supports another.
He's going to vote based on keeping their majority down, so will go with whoever can challenge his current Tory MP.

I just hope other Tories do the same. I know enough that don't won't May to have a bigger majority, even if they do want to see them remain in government.

I assume you are referring to brexit? Yes, she expressed the view that we should remain, and has now accepted that the wish of the people was otherwise, and as their representative, is doing her best to implement their will. Can't quite see how your dad could come to such a conclusion about blatantly breaking promises. She simply accepts the majority view, as she should.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I assume you are referring to brexit? Yes, she expressed the view that we should remain, and has now accepted that the wish of the people was otherwise, and as their representative, is doing her best to implement their will. Can't quite see how your dad could come to such a conclusion about blatantly breaking promises. She simply accepts the majority view, as she should.

Tory party in general too. His hero was a champion of the single market. Lets not also pretend May's about turns are confirmed to Brexit either. Plus he's against Grammars, against changes in taxation to National Insurance. I'm surprised it's taken him 67 years to reach the conclusion that the Tories are a bunch of , I told him that inside 20...

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

He will be thrown out like a tramp at the opera if he loses; there's plenty of people in Labour who thought he should have gone already.

Sadly not. Momentum ruin the party now (I typed ruin by mistake but have decide to not edit it). Corbyn will never be defeated in a leadership election according to current party rules. He is likely to follow all the great leaders of 'socialist' partys in the enlightened parts of the world (Cuba, North Korea, Zimbabwe) and remain 'in power' until he pops his sandals which, judging by his macrobiotic lifestyle, could be some time . . . . If I sound facetious, its just my sad attempt to disguise my anger.

 

[Rod Marsh]

My Dad has voted Tory in every election since 1970. Staunch Tory, Maggie his political hero.

For the first time in his life he won't be voting Tory. He is like a lost soul, doesn't know what he's going to do. Can't stand the fact May so blatantly breaks her promises. Cannot trust someone who campaigned on one thing, but now wholeheartedly supports another.

He's going to vote based on keeping their majority down, so will go with whoever can challenge his current Tory MP.

I just hope other Tories do the same. I know enough that don't won't May to have a bigger majority, even if they do want to see them remain in government.

I can see a "New" labour party being formed after the election if Corbyn stays. It'll be carnage.

 

[Titanic]

Yeah but at least he gives a toss about stuff!

 

[Titanic]

Under ferocious questioning from BBC attack-dog Laura Kuenssberg, JC refuses to confirm we will be leaving the EU, not once but SEVEN TIMES ...

 

[Buzzer]

I would say the word that describes her is Lucky.

Given the situation she inherited to have no-hopers such as Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott facing her across the Despatch Box must make her feel like the luckiest UK Politician in a generation.

Very lucky. I think her performance so far has been bang average. We've both said that her polling should really be low 30s with a more credible Labour leader and shadow chancellor. It reminds me of Blair facing IDS. No need even to spend much time justifying his policies when the opposition was so toxic that people vote for whoever wasn't going to put IDS in power.

 

[jakarta]

Yeah but at least he gives a toss about stuff!

He's not alone...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQhX8PbNUWI

 

[spring hall convert]

I assume you are referring to brexit? Yes, she expressed the view that we should remain, and has now accepted that the wish of the people was otherwise, and as their representative, is doing her best to implement their will. Can't quite see how your dad could come to such a conclusion about blatantly breaking promises. She simply accepts the majority view, as she should.

Might be the numerous times she said she wasn't going to call an election.

Or reducing immigration to the 10's of thousands as Home Sec.


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[Buzzer]

My Dad has voted Tory in every election since 1970. Staunch Tory, Maggie his political hero.

For the first time in his life he won't be voting Tory. He is like a lost soul, doesn't know what he's going to do. Can't stand the fact May so blatantly breaks her promises. Cannot trust someone who campaigned on one thing, but now wholeheartedly supports another. .

I don't get this. He happily voted for Thatcher, Major, Hague, Howard, IDS and Cameron - all who have broken huge commitments and in some cases been directly at odds with their predecessors on major policies. He's also a Thatcherite who would not vote Tory for the first time in his life because she's presiding over Brexit. Everyone knows she campaigned against Brexit and she's never denied that nor has she said that she's changed her mind on it but that she would do her best to follow through on the wishes of the British public.

Fair play to him if he thinks that May is a Brexit convert but of all the things to pin on her, this seems to be the flimsiest.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Very lucky. I think her performance so far has been bang average. We've both said that her polling should really be low 30s with a more credible Labour leader and shadow chancellor. It reminds me of Blair facing IDS. No need even to spend much time justifying his policies when the opposition was so toxic that people vote for whoever wasn't going to put IDS in power.

The thing that baffles and annoys me in equal measure is that having unexpectedly been given a 'golden ticket' (see willy wonka) after a lifetime of howling at the moon - a chance to pursue the great flame of true socialism without the possibility of being uneated by traitors in his own party - why has he not been charging about like an evangelical socialist, brimming with policy initiatives and a plan founded in decades of mature refinement of socialist philosophy? Why has he bimbled and bumbled and postponed announcing, er, pretty much anything, apart from drivel, and random thresholds for taxing the 'rich'?

The answer must be that he's nothing more than a gadfly and intellectual midget, more at home with pedantic pontificating and opposing others in his own party (his party piece in the past) than creating a coherent battle plan.

Corbyn must be the easiest person to face as an adversary. In parliament he never lands a punch (apart from the occasional one - in his own bollocks). His acolytes are a moral and intellectual support team on a par with Crabb and Goyle. All May needs to do is ignore what he says, and occasionally roll here eyes. By doing that she makes even me, a lifelong labour voter, smirk involuntarily. And as [MENTION=5200]Buzzer[/MENTION] said, she is bang average.

To paraphrase Peter Cook, what a way to run a nightclub.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I don't get this. He happily voted for Thatcher, Major, Hague, Howard, IDS and Cameron - all who have broken huge commitments and in some cases been directly at odds with their predecessors on major policies. He's also a Thatcherite who would not vote Tory for the first time in his life because she's presiding over Brexit. Everyone knows she campaigned against Brexit and she's never denied that nor has she said that she's changed her mind on it but that she would do her best to follow through on the wishes of the British public.

Fair play to him if he thinks that May is a Brexit convert but of all the things to pin on her, this seems to be the flimsiest.

I know. We've steered clear of talking politics for about 25 years. He's been a bit devastated by Brexit, angry that the Tory party took us into the vote, unhappy with those given key roles after, unhappy with the leadership, and the direction to the right. What can I say.

 

[Buzzer]

The thing that baffles and annoys me in equal measure is that having unexpectedly been given a 'golden ticket' (see willy wonka) after a lifetime of howling at the moon - a chance to pursue the great flame of true socialism without the possibility of being uneated by traitors in his own party - why has he not been charging about like an evangelical socialist, brimming with policy initiatives and a plan founded in decades of mature refinement of socialist philosophy? Why has he bimbled and bumbled and postponed announcing, er, pretty much anything, apart from drivel, and random thresholds for taxing the 'rich'?

The answer must be that he's nothing more than a gadfly and intellectual midget, more at home with pedantic pontificating and opposing others in his own party (his party piece in the past) than creating a coherent battle plan.

Corbyn must be the easiest person to face as an adversary. In parliament he never lands a punch (apart from the occasional one - in his own bollocks). His acolytes are a moral and intellectual support team on a par with Crabb and Goyle. All May needs to do is ignore what he says, and occasionally roll here eyes. By doing that she makes even me, a lifelong labour voter, smirk involuntarily. And as [MENTION=5200]Buzzer[/MENTION] said, she is bang average.

To paraphrase Peter Cook, what a way to run a nightclub.

Said with all the dignity you could muster.

 

[Buzzer]

I know. We've steered clear of talking politics for about 25 years. He's been a bit devastated by Brexit, angry that the Tory party took us into the vote, unhappy with those given key roles after, unhappy with the leadership, and the direction to the right. What can I say.

A Thatcherite unhappy with a lurch to the right? I don't think May is any more right-wing than Hague and certainly nowhere near IDS or Howard. He's not alone in being a Tory whose party no longer represents him though. There's a lot of us about.