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JC to stay on even after electoral annhilation
- Thread starter wellquickwoody
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happypig
Staring at the rude boys
He will be thrown out like a tramp at the opera if he loses; there's plenty of people in Labour who thought he should have gone already.
Cadiz Seagull
Grey bearded old man
But who is going to throw him out? Labour party members elect the leader and he has a very solid majority there as he's proved twice. I seriously can't see how he can be removed unless he jumps ship, no matter how bad the election result.
He's a mole, but who's mole is up for debate !
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
Wanker.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Don't talk about [MENTION=7631]wellquickwoody[/MENTION] like that
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
My Dad has voted Tory in every election since 1970. Staunch Tory, Maggie his political hero.
For the first time in his life he won't be voting Tory. He is like a lost soul, doesn't know what he's going to do. Can't stand the fact May so blatantly breaks her promises. Cannot trust someone who campaigned on one thing, but now wholeheartedly supports another.
He's going to vote based on keeping their majority down, so will go with whoever can challenge his current Tory MP.
I just hope other Tories do the same. I know enough that don't won't May to have a bigger majority, even if they do want to see them remain in government.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
hardly a surprise, Corbyn, the Labour leadership and Momentum are more interested in securing power for the left wing within Labour party, than anything else. i suppose its a long game for them, they can wait until the next election, ignoring the fact that they will still only attract ~20-25% of the vote in future elections as we aren't very interested in full bore socialism.
Gritt23
New member
If that happens, I genuinely think it will lead to the party splitting and a center Labour, New New Labour if you like, which may even merge with the Lib Dems, who are equally dead in the water since the coalition.
Towards the end of the Tony Bliar reign, there seemed to be a growing desire to break away and create a Socialist Labour Party, which would have been the same split, but just driven the other way round now that the Left have control of the party.
Towards the end of the Tony Bliar reign, there seemed to be a growing desire to break away and create a Socialist Labour Party, which would have been the same split, but just driven the other way round now that the Left have control of the party.
Its already happening under the loosely affiliated progressive alliances that are developing locally in the build up to the general election.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
and gidion they could not get away quick enough.This is correct. There are not 16 million people in Britain waiting for a (proper) left-wing candidate to vote for. There never will be now. So in order for Labour to win a GE they need to occupy the centre ground. Corbyn and co. know this full well, and yet...
It's bonkers.
Don Quixote
Well-known member
- Nov 4, 2008
- 8,362
If they're down to 160 MPs the left will never let go of the party and the membership will carry on voting for Corbyn. It's the end of the Labour Party, which is a shame.
Biscuit Barrel
Well-known member
Only 1 Labour leader has managed to win a general election in the past 41 years, and that was Tony Blair. This goes to show that only a centre ground Labour leader has any chance of occupying Number 10.
spring hall convert
Well-known member
I wouldn't be so sure.
A significant proportion of Corbyn's vote in Leadership mk. 2 were Corbyn agnostics but saw nothing in Owen Smith worth voting for. It was a sign of the arrogance of the PLP that they thought they could win with such a lightweight.
I suspect a Tory majority in excess of 50 would be the nail in the coffin.
Also, Corbyn can't really say anything else 4 weeks before an election, can he? Same as Cameron couldn't say he was going to resign if he lost the referendum when there was zero chance of him staying on.
I reckon he'll be gone by this time next year. What he's waiting for is the next Labour conference and a chance to change the voting rules. He'll want to ensure that his successor is from the left of the party before stepping down.
My guess (and it's purely a hunch) is that's the reason why May has gone for an election now - all this Brexit stuff is a smokescreen. It may be her only opportunity to be against Corbyn, three years down the line, there'll be a different leader and, maybe, one more difficult to beat.
Have people forgotten that Michael Foot was left wing too? Eventually, the Labour Party moved back to being a more centrist party. Took a lot of blood letting though, aided by having one of the most divisive politicians in living memory at the helm of the Tory party; she provided a focal point of hatred outside the Labour movement.
May is no Thatcher, so it might be harder to get the more centrist-minded Labour supporters to coalesce. There is in Miliband (D) a ready-made, credible to centrists who typically support all main parties, leader in waiting though, which is a plus point compared to Kinnock, who did a great job of moving Labour back towards the centre but never won over one-nation, wet Tories. So, no major opposition true hate figure, but a leader in waiting credible to more of the electorate: call it a net wash?
Can Labour become a credible mainstream party again; credible enough to win a GE? Yes, but not without a massive, existential-threatening blood-letting again.
All imo, ofc.
May is no Thatcher, so it might be harder to get the more centrist-minded Labour supporters to coalesce. There is in Miliband (D) a ready-made, credible to centrists who typically support all main parties, leader in waiting though, which is a plus point compared to Kinnock, who did a great job of moving Labour back towards the centre but never won over one-nation, wet Tories. So, no major opposition true hate figure, but a leader in waiting credible to more of the electorate: call it a net wash?
Can Labour become a credible mainstream party again; credible enough to win a GE? Yes, but not without a massive, existential-threatening blood-letting again.
All imo, ofc.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
this has been the general opinion from pundits and commenters inside and around the party for a while. Corbyn didn't intend to fight an general election (in 2020), just stay around long enough to enact systemic change within the party and secure the power of the hard left within the party, then hand over to a suitable figure (which the Momentum group and unions would swing behind ensuring victory).