JC speaks

[dazzer6666]

I agree with you, but on reflection I think that may say more about our choice of governments than us lot on this occasion. Those who voted Conservative probably did so because the alternative was unthinkable, rather than belief in our current government, and likewise most who voted Labour did so because they don't like what the government have done, rather than any honest belief that Corbyn and team are fit to govern.

Agreed - case of trying to decide which looked the least useless. Close call.

 

[CaptainDaveUK]

I've voted for Labour in the past, but never again while Corbyn is leader. We're still clearing up the mess from the last Labour government, goodness knows how much more damage Corbyn would do, given half a chance. Noticed he's not talking about his beloved Venezuela anymore....
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.in...d-burgon-us-ken-livingstone-a7875451.html?amp
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp..../nicolas-maduro-donald-trump-venezuela-hunger

 

[alfredmizen]

Largest increase in the Labour vote since 1945.

The Tories are on notice. Labour are on the threshold of power.

A government in waiting. An outstanding Shadow Cabinet team.

Can he remember who they are ? He's changed his "outstanding team" often enough

 

[Stato]

Raised the standards of living of millions of people - Capitalism.

Resulted in the deaths of millions of people - Socialism.

Next time Andrew Lawrence asks why all the comedy on TV is left wing, he needs to be shown some of the stuff that seems to pass for satire, irony or jokes in right wing circles. Next can we have one of those spins on a fairy tale that makes it all modern and politically correct? As Edmund Blackadder put it "I thank God I wore my corset, because I think my sides have split."

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for Government

Worked for David Steele too.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Maybe im a bit naive but isnt 'having a party' really quite stupid?

I voted Labour because this time round, their manifesto appealed to me more. Im not a labour 'supporter' and they are not 'my party'.

Last time I voted tory.

I just cannot fathom how people have alliegences. Doesnt that defeat the whole point? Surely you should start neutral each time and let a party convince you to vote for them, otherwise you are voting for the same party no matter what they do?

And then, the same people who have 'a party' argue between each other despite neither person ever being willing to change 'their party'. Odd.

 

[Don Tmatter]

Worked for David Steele too.

The grey haired bespectacled cricketer from the 60s & 70s?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

he was on the verge of being ****ed off a while back by the party? ,people resigning in protest? , SEEMS LIKE HE'S SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH A BUNCH OF ARSE LICKING hard left sympathisers ,................. might be wrong
regards
DR

 

[Common as Mook]

Maybe im a bit naive but isnt 'having a party' really quite stupid?

I voted Labour because this time round, their manifesto appealed to me more. Im not a labour 'supporter' and they are not 'my party'.

Last time I voted tory.

I just cannot fathom how people have alliegences. Doesnt that defeat the whole point? Surely you should start neutral each time and let a party convince you to vote for them, otherwise you are voting for the same party no matter what they do?

And then, the same people who have 'a party' argue between each other despite neither person ever being willing to change 'their party'. Odd.

This is a very good post.

Nasty tribalism is rooted into both sides of the argument.

 

[nicko31]

he was on the verge of being ****ed off a while back by the party? ,people resigning in protest? , SEEMS LIKE HE'S SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH A BUNCH OF ARSE LICKING hard left sympathisers ,................. might be wrong
regards
DR

They clap everything, its a complete joke

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Christ this a very long speech...

 

[neilbard]

I heard on the news that in his speech today he was going to tell the current government to move aside for Labour.

Not sure he gets how our democracy works.

There's a few on this board that fail to understand it also.

 

[Bozza]

Maybe im a bit naive but isnt 'having a party' really quite stupid?

I voted Labour because this time round, their manifesto appealed to me more. Im not a labour 'supporter' and they are not 'my party'.

Last time I voted tory.

I just cannot fathom how people have alliegences. Doesnt that defeat the whole point? Surely you should start neutral each time and let a party convince you to vote for them, otherwise you are voting for the same party no matter what they do?

And then, the same people who have 'a party' argue between each other despite neither person ever being willing to change 'their party'. Odd.

Absolutely. We see it on here, on both sides, people so entrenched that they can never show any appreciation for "the other side" regardless. They'll just sit on their hands and wait for the next opportunity to snipe. The entrenched Tories will NEVER vote Labour and the entrenched Labourites will NEVER vote Conservative.

I've voted for all three major parties, and my last vote went to the Lib Dems. I agree wholeheartedly with something my very learned friend [MENTION=12947]Lincoln Imp[/MENTION] said elsewhere recently: if more people believed the Lib Dems could win, they would.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

They clap everything, its a complete joke

have they announced an away fans attendance as well
regards
DR

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Corbyn's lack of spine to convincingly support Remain and instead just lamely say he wanted to remain won't be forgotten by Remoaners like myself.
Also when things start getting cranked up towards an election his pacifism will also weaken his appeal.

A more moderate Labour offering would look quite attractive to me, but I'm not convinced by JC.
If there was an election tomorrow I either wouldn't vote or vote Liberal Democrats as a protest against the Tories.

He sounds more UKIP than UKIP here

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/913010468024971265

[tweet]913010468024971265[/tweet]

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I heard on the news that in his speech today he was going to tell the current government to move aside for Labour.

Not sure he gets how our democracy works.

It's plays in to the arms of the snowflakes. It's all part of the revolution we keep hearing about, that should bring stability.

 

[Commander]

Maybe im a bit naive but isnt 'having a party' really quite stupid?

I voted Labour because this time round, their manifesto appealed to me more. Im not a labour 'supporter' and they are not 'my party'.

Last time I voted tory.

I just cannot fathom how people have alliegences. Doesnt that defeat the whole point? Surely you should start neutral each time and let a party convince you to vote for them, otherwise you are voting for the same party no matter what they do?

And then, the same people who have 'a party' argue between each other despite neither person ever being willing to change 'their party'. Odd.

Agree 100%. The people who say things like 'My family is Labour/Tory and always will be" are utter idiots. It completely defeats the object of having a democracy.

Another thing that annoys me is that both sides have to disagree with each other on every single issue ever. Oh right, so there isn't one thing at all that you have a similar position on? Really? I'd have so much more respect for a politician that could say something like "On that issue I agree, we'd do the same there." They could still follow it up with "However, on this one blah blah blah". It would make you think they were at least speaking the truth, which is highly unusual in politics.

 

[neilbard]

He sounds more UKIP than UKIP here

[tweet]913010468024971265[/tweet]

Why is he wearing all that safety gear, is he off to Venezuela?

 

[BeHereNow]

 

[dingodan]

Maybe im a bit naive but isnt 'having a party' really quite stupid?

I voted Labour because this time round, their manifesto appealed to me more. Im not a labour 'supporter' and they are not 'my party'.

Last time I voted tory.

I just cannot fathom how people have alliegences. Doesnt that defeat the whole point? Surely you should start neutral each time and let a party convince you to vote for them, otherwise you are voting for the same party no matter what they do?

And then, the same people who have 'a party' argue between each other despite neither person ever being willing to change 'their party'. Odd.

What people really ought to have are principles rather than parties. If you have principles then knowing who to vote for becomes a lot easier.