James Mclean - Sunderland refused to wear shirt with poppy on

[Herr Tubthumper]

Then why ask he should respect Germany's fallen then ? I was not the one who brought germany into it was i ?

Hopefuly post 57 has answered your question.

 

[Kumquat]

Why would I not get your respect for feeling pain & pride ?
If the poppy represents ww2 (for you) then would you "celebrate the memory" of our fallen if we were on the side the was not deemed as "just" ?
I don't think you would & the reason would be because you we're not proud of their/our stance had we been on the opposite side

Sorry. Struggling with that one.

 

[Ernest]

I do work for local TV now and then, and if you don't have a poppy on what you are wearing onscreen then someone from production runs across and sticks one on.

I choose to wear one, but it is ridiculous that the thought police force them on you, even on Celebrity Juice earlier this week, when Keith Lemon got his tackle out and was having a dump in a bucket, he still had a poppy on his shirt.

What should be a personal reflection issue now is just a meaningless credentials lovein. Even the fecking LINESMAN woven into his shirt for the Chelsea Liverpool game. I can see the merits of auctioning off the shirts from the matches worn by the players with the poppies on for caused related to servicemen (and women), but LINESMEN?

You mean ASSISTANT referees

 

[tezz79]

My post was a response to your idea that Mclean should respect the war dead of the country he has chosen to move to and make a living in. I do not feel he has to do this. The German's remember their war dead; not all of them were crazy nazis and some were innocently (well, duped into) defending their nation in the same was as our soldiers were. But I do not feel compelled to make a point of showing my respect for them and I do not think Mclean should either.

You might not feel compelled but by being 1 of 22 men being beamed all over the world don't you think it's a little disrespectful ?
By not wearing it he's highlighted his stance rather than the innocent opt out that is being suggested.

 

[salty seagull]

Precisely this. Incidentally my under 10 team had 2 mins silence at half time in the 1st game this morning, and every one of the 22 kids from both teams and all of the parents observed it impeccably despite their various cultures and beliefs.

That`s great to read, after all it is not just the British dead, but all those from the commonwealth to whom we pay our respects. Driving around Brighton today I noticed the large majority of people were not wearing a poppy. Watching the rememberance day proceedings at the Cenotaph always fills me with pride at how this country remembers it`s war dead. It seems that now this is dwindling which I think is very sad.

 

[Kent Seagull]

Although the poppy is often seen as a patriotic symbol, it should be remembered that it's really a way of showing support for the Royal British Legion. The RBL support ex servicemen from many wars and from many nations. This I assume also includes the many Republic of Ireland men who volunteered to assist the Allies in the fight against Naziism despite Ireland being a neutral country.

I personally believe that those who have fallen on behalf of this country deserve our respects and injured servicemen and suffering families deserve our financial support. I also believe that we live in a free country where people can choose to support any charity they choose. All I ask is that they also show respect for those of us that wish to observe a silence on 11/11.

 

[Buzzer]

I'm not offended by Maclean's action in the slightest but I do think it hypocritical that his principles are so strong that he won't wear a poppy because of his views on the British (presumably he sees himself as an Irishman) but he is quite happy to earn his living from the British.

 

[Kumquat]

You might not feel compelled but by being 1 of 22 men being beamed all over the world don't you think it's a little disrespectful ?
By not wearing it he's highlighted his stance rather than the innocent opt out that is being suggested.

His stance being that catholics in Northern Ireland usually suffered brutality from the British Army? Think it might be quite fair to remember that as well.

 

[tezz79]

Sorry. Struggling with that one.

Yeah it is a hard one as we know our forces are just following their orders & ultimately should deserve our respect for doing so no matter where the powers that be put them

 

[tezz79]

His stance being that catholics in Northern Ireland usually suffered brutality from the British Army? Think it might be quite fair to remember that as well.

Is that what he's said ?

 

[tezz79]

I'm not offended by Maclean's action in the slightest but I do think it hypocritical that his principles are so strong that he won't wear a poppy because of his views on the British (presumably he sees himself as an Irishman) but he is quite happy to earn his living from the British.

That's EXACTLY what I've been trying to say !

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You might not feel compelled but by being 1 of 22 men being beamed all over the world don't you think it's a little disrespectful ?
By not wearing it he's highlighted his stance rather than the innocent opt out that is being suggested.

To me, he has simply highlighted his personal decision to not wear one. This is all. I don't wear one, but I do have respect for most of our armed forces. I have respect for lots of things and support a number of causes but choose not to make any public display of this. It's just the way I am.

 

[Kumquat]

No. It was the grammar. I couldn't understand what you were saying or the point you were making. Just following their orders? Isn't that what we said about the Germans? You're sounding more and more like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men.

 

[matthew]

And what? He's from N Ireland, obv doesn't believe in the course so doesn't want to wear a poppy. Fine...

 

[tezz79]

No. It was the grammar. I couldn't understand what you were saying or the point you were making. Just following their orders? Isn't that what we said about the Germans? You're sounding more and more like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men.

Most of the Germans army were just following orders without being aware of the bigger picture

 

[Kumquat]

Is that what he's said ?

I think the clues is in the original article. That's why the Mail have made it an issue. He's a republican.

 

[tezz79]

No. It was the grammar. I couldn't understand what you were saying or the point you were making. Just following their orders? Isn't that what we said about the Germans? You're sounding more and more like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men.

Why would hitler have needed the mass propaganda if the nation had wholeheartedly agreed with all of his views & actions ?
Yeah my grammar ain't the best but I'm sure you're bright enough to decipher my ramblings

 

[Kumquat]

Most of the Germans army were just following orders without being aware of the bigger picture

Same in Ireland I guess. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[salty seagull]

He may have his his views on the British Army in Northern Ireland, as I detest the IRA. If it wasn`t for many of those that died he may not have had freedom of choice to express his opinion at all.Anyway, I`m signing off before I get too involved. Gute nacht.

 

[Kumquat]

He may have his his views on the British Army in Northern Ireland, as I detest the IRA. If it wasn`t for many of those that died he may not have had freedom of choice to express his opinion at all.Anyway, I`m signing off before I get too involved. Gute nacht.

Arrivederci! Me too!