James Buldger killer back in prison

[Sheebo]

Not trying to dilute what those two individuals did, it was horrific, but they were children too. How did they get to become like that? I don’t believe for one minute that they were born evil. More like extremely poor parenting, much like those two boys in Sheffield. In a sense they were victims too.

If you believe that Prison is not only to punish, but to rehabilitate (which I do), then hopefully the authorities have decided that years of rehabilitation and trying to undo years of neglect has allowed them to be re-introduced into society…….with conditions.

Both the two individuals have to live with what they have done. For many, they simply cant. Certainly not a life that you and I would recognise.

I think you would find that in these cases there are a lot of suicides and certainly petty re offending. For most Prison is a safer environment.

I find it sad all round. Sad for Jamie Bulger, his poor parents and yes I do feel a sadness for the two individuals that killed him. Sad that they were neglected and turned into dangerous animals. I don’t feel sad for their parents and those like them, who share a heavy responsibility for total neglect. They too should have faced a sentence and a long one too.

Absolutely spot on - I wanted to say something like this but was worried people would jump down my throat. It's inexusable what they did and a pure tradgedy but they were ONLY TWELVE. And who knows how they have grown up - they may have changed - we shall never know. It's not an excuse but these kids who did this prob had a shit background - with the majority of crimes like this and all other major crimes there is often something that's happened in the guilty party's life to make them do such a terrible thing.

Either way this is still a shocking story and you can't imagine what Jamie B's parents have gone through...

 

[clapham_gull]

As Edna points out such restrictions can be very tight with a Life Licence.

I recall hearing from a solicitor friend the case of man being caught with a knife of some kind in his pocket and ending back up in prison after just being released.

I recall he was having a drink quietly in the pub and the knife was something he was using for work at the time, and had no intention to use it in an aggressive manner.

Having said that, he had no reason to have a knife in his pocket whilst drinking a pint so off back to prison he went.

 

[Spiros]

Not trying to dilute what those two individuals did, it was horrific, but they were children too. How did they get to become like that? I don’t believe for one minute that they were born evil. More like extremely poor parenting, much like those two boys in Sheffield. In a sense they were victims too.

One of the biggest problems with our society today is that although these 2 boys were only 10 when they did this no-one in authority ever seemed to question the parents' role (or lack of it). Same applies to the 2 little thugs up north earlier this year. Surely a 10/11/12 year old cannot be the only one to be held responsible for their actions? In a number of other countries the law makes parents responsible for the actions of their children up to a certain age (in some countries it's as old as 18). I agree that these boys were probably not born evil, they simply didn't get any guidance to make them able to tell right from wrong so they just did what they liked.

 

[Franks Wild Years]

Not trying to dilute what those two individuals did, it was horrific, but they were children too. How did they get to become like that? I don’t believe for one minute that they were born evil. More like extremely poor parenting, much like those two boys in Sheffield. In a sense they were victims too.

If you believe that Prison is not only to punish, but to rehabilitate (which I do), then hopefully the authorities have decided that years of rehabilitation and trying to undo years of neglect has allowed them to be re-introduced into society…….with conditions.

Both the two individuals have to live with what they have done. For many, they simply cant. Certainly not a life that you and I would recognise.

I think you would find that in these cases there are a lot of suicides and certainly petty re offending. For most Prison is a safer environment.

I find it sad all round. Sad for Jamie Bulger, his poor parents and yes I do feel a sadness for the two individuals that killed him. Sad that they were neglected and turned into dangerous animals. I don’t feel sad for their parents and those like them, who share a heavy responsibility for total neglect. They too should have faced a sentence and a long one too.

Very well put and I couldn't agree more.

 

[Dave the OAP]

but that was the whole point about this case....one of the had a terrible background and had no remorse, but Vennables was a well brought up kid , good family etc BUT was led by this bully. His solicitor was amazed that he has been sent back according to the radio this morning.

The rumour was that he had visited Merseyside and someone recognised him after all these years.

 

[User removed 4]

I only recently read about what these two boys did to Jamie Bulger. I guess at the time the crime was so horrific that the details weren't needed to be in the public domain - and I'd ask people not to repeat them here if they know them (if you're interested do some research). These two boys were totally and utterly barbaric and I'm amazed that they were ever released in any circumstances.

I tend to agree, at the time my thoughts were that while obviously not right in the head , they were just kids and eventually should be considered for release, but then i found out exactly what they did to that little boy, and it's not pleasant reading, and while i'm not in the ''string them up crowd''(they were children when all's said and done) , i do feel that they shouldnt ever have been considered for release as they could not be trusted.

 

[BigGully]

One of the biggest problems with our society today is that although these 2 boys were only 10 when they did this no-one in authority ever seemed to question the parents' role (or lack of it). Same applies to the 2 little thugs up north earlier this year. Surely a 10/11/12 year old cannot be the only one to be held responsible for their actions? In a number of other countries the law makes parents responsible for the actions of their children up to a certain age (in some countries it's as old as 18). I agree that these boys were probably not born evil, they simply didn't get any guidance to make them able to tell right from wrong so they just did what they liked.

These boys had similiar upbringing than many many thousands of children throughout the country, it was not as abusive as many no matter what their solicitors tried to tell us.

So if you want to go down the profiling root, lets take half the kids away from their biological parents and ship them into the care system, shall we !!!

It is likely that one lead the other, but having read the awful cruelty they inflicted on little Jamie Bulger before slowly killing him, I couldn't give a toss about their anonymity or their rehabilitation, if they were dead by morning a would be happy, I would leave the grieving to you Liberal thinkers.

 

[Mackenzie]

I would have let Jamie Bulger's parents decide their fate.

 

[franks brother]

A quick google says it appears he returned to Merseyside......couldn't find out why.

 

[Wilko]

Not trying to dilute what those two individuals did, it was horrific, but they were children too. How did they get to become like that? I don’t believe for one minute that they were born evil. More like extremely poor parenting, much like those two boys in Sheffield. In a sense they were victims too.

If you believe that Prison is not only to punish, but to rehabilitate (which I do), then hopefully the authorities have decided that years of rehabilitation and trying to undo years of neglect has allowed them to be re-introduced into society…….with conditions.

Both the two individuals have to live with what they have done. For many, they simply cant. Certainly not a life that you and I would recognise.

I think you would find that in these cases there are a lot of suicides and certainly petty re offending. For most Prison is a safer environment.

I find it sad all round. Sad for Jamie Bulger, his poor parents and yes I do feel a sadness for the two individuals that killed him. Sad that they were neglected and turned into dangerous animals. I don’t feel sad for their parents and those like them, who share a heavy responsibility for total neglect. They too should have faced a sentence and a long one too.

I agree with this to a degree but the whole case hinged on whether a 10 and an 11 year old knew the extent of their crime and the severity of it. I have heard the police tapes of them being interviewed and do you know what they did - they lied and denied. Therefore, they KNEW what they were doing was so wrong that they kept lying to try get out of it.

Blame the parents by all means but even at such a young age a person can rationalise morality and ethics.

 

[Beach Hut]

I would have let Jamie Bulger's parents decide their fate.

Justice a la eye for an eye, great idea no need for courts and magistrates then

 

[the costa love bus]

does anyone know what prison this scumbag has been sent to?

 

[Nibble]

with the uptmost respect for Jamie Bulger and his family those two boys had an horrific upbringing and the authorities described them as feral by the time they killed the poor child. At ten years old your actions are a direct result of how your parents treat you and sorry to all the lynch mob on here, it wasn't their fault.all the people demanding they be beaten naked in the street etc need to educate themselves and perhaps stop reading The Sun and Daily Mail.

 

[Nibble]

To add, there is avery well considered article in G2 today on the subject of rehabilitation Vs Punishment relating to this case. Well worth a look.

 

[Acker79]

Some people (thought not on here, so I may not get an explanation here) are demanding the home office release the details of these events, how he broke the conditions of his release, etc.

Can someone explain to me why we, the press, or Jamie Bulger's parents have a right to know?

 

[little al]

does anyone know what prison this scumbag has been sent to?

Why, what will you do?

 

[Mackenzie]

Justice a la eye for an eye, great idea no need for courts and magistrates then

Absolutely.

 

[the costa love bus]

nothing just heard on the news some where on the net it revels where he his i think it should be open knowledge to know where this peice of flith is

 

[little al]

There was a suggestion in one of the papers, can't remember which. FTR, I hope he gets banged up for a long time, and the other one.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

does anyone know what prison this scumbag has been sent to?

This has got to be the funniest thin I have read today.

Yes we all do. It was published so all the vigilantes could break in and join the prisoners, who by now will have been alerted by friends on the outside that he is there to string him up and commit a similar crime to the one the boys did.




When one brutal crime is balanced by another we give justification to the original crime by showing that we are no better than the ones we despise.