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Jade Goody (again)
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Rusthall Seagull
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is 'parties' a new poster?
ROSM
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At the risk of adding to this binfest, I think Simster's first post hits the nail on the head.
Julie Burchill wrote a great piece on the Sun yesterday about her views, not only on Jade Goody, but on the sad individuals who use the internet to pour their rabid bile out about anybody in the public eye. I would suggest some on here could do with having a read of that.
In her time, Jade Goody has been called racist and homophobic. Highly interesting when she has a mother who is bisexual and a father of mixed race. She sees that the way to secure her family's future is to make as much cash as possible in the short term - well done and good for her if people are prepared to pay for it. It's not like she's making the money for herself is it?
Finally, as for the comment by Walt on Max Clifford, it may have escaped your notice (or research!) that Max Clifford's wife died from cancer not that many years ago so emotionally I'm sure he has more than a financial interest in this.
Julie Burchill wrote a great piece on the Sun yesterday about her views, not only on Jade Goody, but on the sad individuals who use the internet to pour their rabid bile out about anybody in the public eye. I would suggest some on here could do with having a read of that.
In her time, Jade Goody has been called racist and homophobic. Highly interesting when she has a mother who is bisexual and a father of mixed race. She sees that the way to secure her family's future is to make as much cash as possible in the short term - well done and good for her if people are prepared to pay for it. It's not like she's making the money for herself is it?
Finally, as for the comment by Walt on Max Clifford, it may have escaped your notice (or research!) that Max Clifford's wife died from cancer not that many years ago so emotionally I'm sure he has more than a financial interest in this.
Man of Harveys
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No offence at all, but it seems to me that some of the people who post on the many recurring Racist Princess of the Death Rattle Webcam threads on NSC at the moment who've had family members suffering from the same thing aren't exactly overcome with sympathy with the way she's been behaving over all this. And I can't imagine she's reading NSC much herself at the moment, although I'd dearly love to be wrong on that.
Fleet Street loves a good bit of death porn and that's really all this is, a snuff movie in print and in daily installments.
Rusthall Seagull
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My Uncle Brian died of cervical cancer
bhaexpress
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Good post, well said.
Gritt23
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I agree with all of that. I never had much time for Jade before, but I actually think she is doing the right thing here because;
1. She's trying to provide as best as she can for her kids. Don't we ALL try and do that?
2. She's making people more aware of this disease, and how drastic the effects are, and that it can strike you down at a young age. If that increases the numbers of young woman going for scans and smears then that is a very good thing.
God bless you Jade, I can only wish the best for you.
ROSM
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This is the Julie Burchill article I mentioned - looks like she knows some of the people from NSC!!
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WILL it finally stop when Jade Goody stops breathing, do you think?
When she’s pronounced dead? When we see her crying children placing flowers on their dead mother’s grave?
No. Sad as it seems, sad for the haters, even more than the hated — who will by then be in a place where they can no longer touch her — the rivers of loathing which pour down upon the broken body of this young, naive, defenceless young mother, born into massive poverty and underprivilege, with everything stacked against her, seem unlikely to end with her death.
And when they realise this, I hope for the sake of both their souls and their sanity that the haters seek help for their own condition — which would seem to eat away at any decency or sympathy they once possessed as surely as Jade’s cancer has eaten away at her body.
She will be dead — but they will still be terminally sick.
The internet is a great invention but it is also one of the biggest playgrounds of the cowardly bully since the arenas where the Romans threw Christians to the lions.
Be it the furtive legions of self-loathing seat-sniffers playing out sad sexual fantasies over the exploited bodies of women and children or the even sadder name-callers playing out their sadistic scenarios by heaping abuse on a dying woman heartbroken over leaving her young children.
People who would be terrified to put their hands up and take responsibility for their actions in real life — even the simple one of walking into a shop and buying a porn rag — can here be king of the heap, hiding behind the anonymity of the web.
We laugh at those sad losers who recreate themselves as sexy winners in games like Second Life, but to some extent anyone who grazes on porn and/or expresses hatred, both anonymously, is doing the same thing.
You have to feel sorry for them — but you are allowed to feel contempt for them, too.
And, especially when it comes to the pond-scum who attack a dying woman from behind the safety of an online pseudonym, I certainly do. The difference is, I’m more than brave enough to put my name and face to my hatred — are you?
Let’s look at what Jade Goody stands accused of, and at the morals and motives of those apparently stainless accusers.
For a start, she came to public attention in 2002 as a graduate of the Big Brother house.
The majority of people who go into the BB house are kids from poor backgrounds who went straight from school to work: BB is their “gap year” packed into nine frenzied weeks.
Unlike middle and upper-class kids, who drink themselves stupid and upset the locals in places as diverse as Cornwall and Goa, they do so in a controlled environment, spoiling no one’s hometown, albeit that they do it in front of millions.
Why would anyone feel the need to slate them as if they were a Devil-worshipping, pet-sacrificing, slavery-endorsing paedophile ring? No reason I can think of — unless their own lives were tragically lacking in good, dirty FUN.
Now there is a bigger gap between rich and poor than at any time in the past 100 years.
A working-class kid has less chance of moving up the ladder than they did 50 years ago now even the few good jobs (by which I mean both well-paid and a skive) which a bright, poor teenager could get into, like showbiz and journalism, are going to dim, posh nobodies, who can blame ordinary kids for grabbing the chance to get rich quick with both hands?
To me, the automatic ascent to fame of the SADOFFs — Sons And Daughters Of Famous Folk — is far more suspect and wearisome than the overnight fame of the Kids From Nowhere.
The fact that a Jade Jagger can become a celebrity is far more an indicator of a corrupt and shallow society than it is that a Jade Goody can do the same.
One was born to massive wealth, had a private education and has spent her life since swanning around just being “beautiful” — even if she does look like a frog in a wig.
The other was born to Dickensian deprivation — junkie dad who hid guns under her cot, abusive one-armed mum for whom she was the principle carer ever since childhood.
She had very little education and has spent her life trying to make something of herself against all odds. Which one is the more deserving of fame and fortune?
Snobs can sneer all they like that the BB crew are “famous for doing nothing” — but so are the Royal Family and the whole useless aristocracy, those well-connected nobodies falling out of Boujis after downing one too many of the charmingly-named “Crack Baby” cocktails. It’s the British way!
The daughter of a gay mother and a mixed-race father, Goody has been accused of both homophobia and racism by pretentious, privileged idiots.
She has been accused of using her illness for gain — as though that was not already a tried-and-tested money-maker for up- themselves British hacks of so-called upmarket newspapers with expensive educations and decent degrees who, one could argue, had much less “excuse” to do it.
And she is accused, above all, of being the embodiment of “chav” vulgarity.
In my book, when people use the word chav, they are usually saying more about themselves than about the object of their derision. Those who call chavs sexually incontinent are often seasoned sailors on the HMS Ain’t Gettin’ None.
Those who call them skivers are rarely people who contribute anything of value to society. Those who call them thick generally aren’t any great loss to the Brains Trust.
Those who call them racist may well harbour all sorts of shady feelings of fear and frustration towards unknown groups of people and be glad to have found, in the white working-class, a hate target which is well beyond the protection of the CRE.
And, as the months since Jade Goody discovered she had cancer have shown, those who call them bullies and cowards are often bullies and cowards.
I only met Jade once, when she appeared on a brilliant Sky 1 documentary I made some years ago called, of course, Chavs.
I remember, somewhat shamefully, apprehensively waiting for her, imagining she’d be seven sorts of nightmare.
Then in she breezed, so young and pretty and natural, with a baby in a carry-cot, a grin for everyone and a professional attitude which put mine to shame.
At one point I remember having a hissy-fit because I didn’t want to walk down the Old Kent Road and into Manze’s pie and mash shop for the fifth time while talking to her.
She looked at me in amazement, smiled reassuringly, slipped her arm through mine and said sweetly: “Steady on, love — it’s hardly hard work, is it! Come on — best foot forward — one more time...” Best foot forward, one more time, and this weekend Jade will marry with not long to live.
Other brides have confetti and rice thrown at them. She will, as ever, have slanders and slurs raining down upon her head. SHE DID IT FOR THE MONEY! SHE'S ADDICTED TO PUBLICITY!
And the obvious will be ignored — that she is, in the only way available to her, trying to make certain that her two sons don’t have to live through the squalor and insecurity which she grew up with.
Reading this back, I see I’ve made one mistake. I’ve called the people who have victimised and are victimising the dying Jade Goody bullies: Here I was technically wrong, for a bully is someone who picks on someone weaker than themselves.
Though Jade’s body may be broken, the spirit of this sweet, silly, brave girl is stronger than those of her critics could ever be.
____________________________________________________
WILL it finally stop when Jade Goody stops breathing, do you think?
When she’s pronounced dead? When we see her crying children placing flowers on their dead mother’s grave?
No. Sad as it seems, sad for the haters, even more than the hated — who will by then be in a place where they can no longer touch her — the rivers of loathing which pour down upon the broken body of this young, naive, defenceless young mother, born into massive poverty and underprivilege, with everything stacked against her, seem unlikely to end with her death.
And when they realise this, I hope for the sake of both their souls and their sanity that the haters seek help for their own condition — which would seem to eat away at any decency or sympathy they once possessed as surely as Jade’s cancer has eaten away at her body.
She will be dead — but they will still be terminally sick.
The internet is a great invention but it is also one of the biggest playgrounds of the cowardly bully since the arenas where the Romans threw Christians to the lions.
Be it the furtive legions of self-loathing seat-sniffers playing out sad sexual fantasies over the exploited bodies of women and children or the even sadder name-callers playing out their sadistic scenarios by heaping abuse on a dying woman heartbroken over leaving her young children.
People who would be terrified to put their hands up and take responsibility for their actions in real life — even the simple one of walking into a shop and buying a porn rag — can here be king of the heap, hiding behind the anonymity of the web.
We laugh at those sad losers who recreate themselves as sexy winners in games like Second Life, but to some extent anyone who grazes on porn and/or expresses hatred, both anonymously, is doing the same thing.
You have to feel sorry for them — but you are allowed to feel contempt for them, too.
And, especially when it comes to the pond-scum who attack a dying woman from behind the safety of an online pseudonym, I certainly do. The difference is, I’m more than brave enough to put my name and face to my hatred — are you?
Let’s look at what Jade Goody stands accused of, and at the morals and motives of those apparently stainless accusers.
For a start, she came to public attention in 2002 as a graduate of the Big Brother house.
The majority of people who go into the BB house are kids from poor backgrounds who went straight from school to work: BB is their “gap year” packed into nine frenzied weeks.
Unlike middle and upper-class kids, who drink themselves stupid and upset the locals in places as diverse as Cornwall and Goa, they do so in a controlled environment, spoiling no one’s hometown, albeit that they do it in front of millions.
Why would anyone feel the need to slate them as if they were a Devil-worshipping, pet-sacrificing, slavery-endorsing paedophile ring? No reason I can think of — unless their own lives were tragically lacking in good, dirty FUN.
Now there is a bigger gap between rich and poor than at any time in the past 100 years.
A working-class kid has less chance of moving up the ladder than they did 50 years ago now even the few good jobs (by which I mean both well-paid and a skive) which a bright, poor teenager could get into, like showbiz and journalism, are going to dim, posh nobodies, who can blame ordinary kids for grabbing the chance to get rich quick with both hands?
To me, the automatic ascent to fame of the SADOFFs — Sons And Daughters Of Famous Folk — is far more suspect and wearisome than the overnight fame of the Kids From Nowhere.
The fact that a Jade Jagger can become a celebrity is far more an indicator of a corrupt and shallow society than it is that a Jade Goody can do the same.
One was born to massive wealth, had a private education and has spent her life since swanning around just being “beautiful” — even if she does look like a frog in a wig.
The other was born to Dickensian deprivation — junkie dad who hid guns under her cot, abusive one-armed mum for whom she was the principle carer ever since childhood.
She had very little education and has spent her life trying to make something of herself against all odds. Which one is the more deserving of fame and fortune?
Snobs can sneer all they like that the BB crew are “famous for doing nothing” — but so are the Royal Family and the whole useless aristocracy, those well-connected nobodies falling out of Boujis after downing one too many of the charmingly-named “Crack Baby” cocktails. It’s the British way!
The daughter of a gay mother and a mixed-race father, Goody has been accused of both homophobia and racism by pretentious, privileged idiots.
She has been accused of using her illness for gain — as though that was not already a tried-and-tested money-maker for up- themselves British hacks of so-called upmarket newspapers with expensive educations and decent degrees who, one could argue, had much less “excuse” to do it.
And she is accused, above all, of being the embodiment of “chav” vulgarity.
In my book, when people use the word chav, they are usually saying more about themselves than about the object of their derision. Those who call chavs sexually incontinent are often seasoned sailors on the HMS Ain’t Gettin’ None.
Those who call them skivers are rarely people who contribute anything of value to society. Those who call them thick generally aren’t any great loss to the Brains Trust.
Those who call them racist may well harbour all sorts of shady feelings of fear and frustration towards unknown groups of people and be glad to have found, in the white working-class, a hate target which is well beyond the protection of the CRE.
And, as the months since Jade Goody discovered she had cancer have shown, those who call them bullies and cowards are often bullies and cowards.
I only met Jade once, when she appeared on a brilliant Sky 1 documentary I made some years ago called, of course, Chavs.
I remember, somewhat shamefully, apprehensively waiting for her, imagining she’d be seven sorts of nightmare.
Then in she breezed, so young and pretty and natural, with a baby in a carry-cot, a grin for everyone and a professional attitude which put mine to shame.
At one point I remember having a hissy-fit because I didn’t want to walk down the Old Kent Road and into Manze’s pie and mash shop for the fifth time while talking to her.
She looked at me in amazement, smiled reassuringly, slipped her arm through mine and said sweetly: “Steady on, love — it’s hardly hard work, is it! Come on — best foot forward — one more time...” Best foot forward, one more time, and this weekend Jade will marry with not long to live.
Other brides have confetti and rice thrown at them. She will, as ever, have slanders and slurs raining down upon her head. SHE DID IT FOR THE MONEY! SHE'S ADDICTED TO PUBLICITY!
And the obvious will be ignored — that she is, in the only way available to her, trying to make certain that her two sons don’t have to live through the squalor and insecurity which she grew up with.
Reading this back, I see I’ve made one mistake. I’ve called the people who have victimised and are victimising the dying Jade Goody bullies: Here I was technically wrong, for a bully is someone who picks on someone weaker than themselves.
Though Jade’s body may be broken, the spirit of this sweet, silly, brave girl is stronger than those of her critics could ever be.
BRIGHT ON Q
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- Jul 5, 2003
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I just feel sorry for the saddos that will rush out and buy OK magazine.
Skint Gull
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I, like most sensible posters on here won't be hypocritial and claim to like the woman but nobody deserves what she's going through.
The reason she is rich and famous is almost entirely because of your average Living TV viewer and Sun/Mirror/WomansGlossy reader, and the people who are reading/watching her now are probably those exact same people.
As others have said, if she can earn some more money for her kids while at the same time trying to raise awareness of the disease then fair play to her. I had no interest in her life and, as heartless as it sounds, i have no interest in her death. It is sad someone so young is dying, but I shalln't be watching. I suggest all the people getting so upset about it do the same.
The reason she is rich and famous is almost entirely because of your average Living TV viewer and Sun/Mirror/WomansGlossy reader, and the people who are reading/watching her now are probably those exact same people.
As others have said, if she can earn some more money for her kids while at the same time trying to raise awareness of the disease then fair play to her. I had no interest in her life and, as heartless as it sounds, i have no interest in her death. It is sad someone so young is dying, but I shalln't be watching. I suggest all the people getting so upset about it do the same.
Pot noodles for everyone
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it's an odd day indeed when people look to Julie Burchill as their moral compass.
It's interesting I'll grant you, but where was Julie Burchall AT THE TIME when Jade Goody was accused of being a racist? It's very easy to sanctimoneously have a pop at a disapproving public now that's it's safe to do so isn't it?
Coming up next week, Burchall tells us how the British public went overboard with their reaction to the news of Princess Diana's death.
ROSM
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Or indeed how perhaps the ECB shouldn't have trusted Sir Allen Stanford?
As for where she was at the time? dont know and couldn't really care. I suspect the comment is aimed more at comments on the current situation rather than the historical.
ROSM
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who said anything about her being a moral compass? It's an opinion (just like anyone else's opinion, although she does get paid for hers). The irony is that she writes an article on one day and the very next we have a thread on NSC which kind of plays out the dialogue she was writing about. Maybe not a moral compass, more like a soothsayer
Pot noodles for everyone
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can I have first dibs on the joke "you know what they say - the Goody die young."
I'm here all week (unlike Jade).
I'm here all week (unlike Jade).
Uncle C
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I have an irresistible urge to watch her last breath live on TV.
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Ever read Lance Armstrong's books? Might change your mind on that one...
Icy Gull
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Was he ever proven to be a performance enhancing drug cheat or was that brushed under the carpet given his recovery from cancer?