melias shoes
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- Oct 14, 2010
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Don't be silly HT. We all know who was behind the trouble. The intolerant tolerant fascist left. Anything they don't want to be aired they storm and shout down usually cause violence. Fascist left.
[Football] Jacob Rees-Mogg.
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Wouldn’t happen in Germany.
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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The thing is there are two main paths you can take to reach the conclusion that life begins at conception, and that therefore abortion is wrong:
1. Through reasoned and rational and open scientific/philosophical debate; and
2. Through dogmatic theology.
Would Jacob Rees-Mogg,as a Catholic, be open to the idea that life doesn't begin at conception, i suspect not?
So whilst I am generally opposed to telling others how to live or being told how to live myself, I am also more generally opposed to having people open to dogmatic theology governing over me.
Edit: And i say that who is open to the idea life begins at conception, and therefore abortion is wrong, i.e. I haven't reached a conclusion myself.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
And Labour are the anti Jewish party
Labour welcomes back banned activists and Holocaust denier
A Holocaust denier and a leading member of Militant during its takeover of Liverpool council are among a first wave of expelled hard-left activists who have been readmitted to the Labour Party, it can be revealed today.
A leak from Labour headquarters shows the extent of the resurgent left’s control over the party after recent elections to its governing body, where Momentum candidates won a “clean sweep” of new positions.
Activists have been allowed to rejoin despite still belonging to organisations “proscribed” by Labour — including a Trotskyist group, the Alliance for Workers’ Liberty. Others stood against Labour for hard-left parties as recently as 2016.
The decisions disclosed today were taken at the first meeting of Labour’s national executive committee (NEC) since the left took control by winning three new places on the body. They suggest a rapid, dramatic relaxation in membership policy towards far-left activists.
One figure welcomed back into the party, Alan Fogg, 76, played a leading role in the Trotskyist group Militant in its takeover of Liverpool council in the 1980s. He was one of 47 councillors banned from public office for five years after trying to set an illegal budget in 1985.
Fogg stood against Labour in local elections for the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition (TUSC) as recently as 2016, winning 6.5% of the votes in his Liverpool ward.
He said: “I had expected them to give me trouble, but I went for an interview and it all went fine . . . It’s about time people like us got back into the party.”
Another individual who has been readmitted, Mike Sivier, was suspended by Labour only last year for comments about Jews and Zionism. On his website, Sivier, 48, said it “may be entirely justified” to say Tony Blair had been “unduly influenced by a cabal of Jewish advisers”.
He also said he was “not pretending it was a big problem” if Jews were omitted from a list of Holocaust survivors, and claimed “I’m not going to comment” on whether thousands or millions of Jews died in the Holocaust as “I don’t know”.
Sivier, who wrote a book defending Ken Livingstone’s claims about Hitler and Zionism, entitled The Livingstone Presumption, has been readmitted on the basis that he attends a workshop about anti-semitism. But he told The Sunday Times he would boycott the event. “I’m not accepting my readmission under the terms offered to me,” he said.
The NEC voted by 12 to 10 to issue Sivier a “warning” but not to expel him, suggesting the new arithmetic on the body had a decisive impact.
Janine Booth, 51, a self-identifying “Marxist socialist-feminist” who remains a member of the Alliance for Workers’ Liberty has also been readmitted. Booth, of Hackney, east London, stood for the Socialist Alliance in the 2001 general election and Socialist Unity in local elections in 2006. Her election leaflet said Labour “don’t deserve your vote” and that they “attack working-class communities”.
She claims Labour officers told her the party was now a “broad church” and that members of Workers’ Liberty were welcome.
According to her account, party officials told her: “If it is OK for members of Progress [the moderate pressure group], to be part of it, so too can members of Workers’ Liberty.”
The NEC can block expelled individuals from rejoining the party — but leaked minutes reveal the body has granted “appeals” to several hard-left activists and appointed allies of Jeremy Corbyn to chair their eventual hearings.
Lee Jasper, 59, is one such person. He stepped down as Livingstone’s “race tsar” after leaked emails revealed his intimate relationship with a woman whose organisation received City Hall funds — telling her, “I want to . . . honey glaze you” — and later stood against Labour for George Galloway’s Respect Party in 2012.
Jasper’s membership will be reviewed by Andy Kerr, a union official and Corbyn ally who is helping lead Labour’s controversial review into internal party democracy, seen by moderates as a precursor to the deselection of centrist MPs.
“I’ve been an admirer and supporter of Jeremy Corbyn for years . . . I hope for a positive outcome,” Jasper said last night.
Terence Ewing, a convicted fraudster, and Kingsley Abrams, who stood against Labour for TUSC in the 2015 general election, are also set to have their applications reviewed.
Ewing, 65, was convicted of 21 counts of theft and forgery and jailed for seven years in 1981. In 1990, a High Court judge declared him a “vexatious litigant” and banned him from taking legal action in England and Wales.
Abrams, 56, said: “I applied to rejoin the Labour Party because of Jeremy Corbyn and look forward to my appeal hearing.”
NEC sources said the appointment of left-wing members to review left-wing activists’ membership appeals was part of an understanding that would allow centrist members to review their own allies’ disciplinary cases.
Luke Akehurst of Labour First, an anti-Momentum pressure group, said: “It is simply absurd that these people should be considered eligible to join for Labour.
“Some of [them] are high-profile, public opponents of the Labour Party or leading members of far-left rival parties.”
A senior party source said it no longer recognised the list of proscribed organisations so people linked to them could not be banned. “There is a debate about whether these existed at points in Labour history,” the source said. “Our view is that they no longer exist.”
A party spokesman said: “We do not comment on leaked documents. The NEC’s disputes panel operates in line with our party’s procedures.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...nned-activists-and-holocaust-denier-ggv6s3vkn
Indeed ... #nastyparty
Oh don't get me wrong, I do not want JRM in any position of influence or power.
I am in a similar boat to you, I think the line is VERY blurred as to where life begins.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
How many Labour members have you seen in Nazi uniforms
Tories = Fascist supporters and sympathisers
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
How many Labour members have you seen in Nazi uniforms
Tories = Fascist supporters and sympathisers
And therein lies Labour's anti-Semitism problem. Apparently, only Nazis can be anti-Jewish.
- Aug 8, 2005
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Can only see Rees Mogg's power rising. Given 52% of the population, and a lot of Labour voters in this, voted for Brexit and I suspect a hard Brexit at that, his stance on this is a massive vote winner. Would slaughter Corbyn in every regard other than his odd stance on abortion. But given he has already accepted that he would never try to make this policy I think this view is negligible.
But even if you are correct and life begins at conception, does that mean that in your opinion a pregnant woman should not have the right to decide whether to terminate the pregnancy? Whether the pregnancy was as a result of rape or not? Maybe a 16 year old who "made a mistake" and doesn't have the financial support or the mental maturity to care for a newborn? Many other scenarios where a woman may decide not to go ahead with a pregnancy for any number of social, medical, economic reasons.
(BTW just because I clearly hold a polar opposite opinion to yours, I will do you the courtesy of not tagging your opinion as "nonsense"!!! Makes for a far better debate)
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
How many Labour members have you seen in Nazi uniforms
Tories = Fascist supporters and sympathisers
How many Jewish Labour members are still waiting for the 'vast backlog' of complaints to be addressed?
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...labour-group-accuses-failing-act-antisemitism
Ernest = in denial
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
How many Jewish Labour members are still waiting for the 'vast backlog' of complaints to be addressed?
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...labour-group-accuses-failing-act-antisemitism
Ernest = in denial
JC FG = Nazi sympathiser
- Jan 18, 2009
- 4,885
Rightly so, thankfully over here in monkey island we can have a good old laugh at your expense.
https://youtu.be/YzRbC7lQ-EQ
Don’t worry though, we aren’t being beastly to you lot.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
JRM must be doing something right.He might be a bit mad,but he seems to have Momentum foaming at the mouth even more than usual!
Exactly why he has of late been pushed into the public eye. I can't stand him but I can understand his appeal to some/many people.
attila
1997 Club
I hope he wins the forthcoming leadership election (after the Tories have lost the general election)
His only appeal is to the old and narrow minded. He would lose the under 40 vote by miles.
There wouldn't be another Tory government for 20 years
His only appeal is to the old and narrow minded. He would lose the under 40 vote by miles.
There wouldn't be another Tory government for 20 years
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Just corrected that for you
I said in my post that the statement "life begins at conception" is not my opinion. Apologies if you felt the use of the word "nonsense" was ad hominem, and you're correct, it doesn't encourage healthy debate to insult others.
However, I stand by the opinion (backed up with some evidence) that it is not a tiny minority of people who believe life begins at conception.
The point they (not I) would make, is that it is not right to murder (because that is what it is in their eyes), no matter what the situation.
Correct.I hope he wins the forthcoming leadership election (after the Tories have lost the general election)
His only appeal is to the old and narrow minded. He would lose the under 40 vote by miles.
There wouldn't be another Tory government for 20 years
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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its not that blurred. there's two definite defining points we can work from, conception and birth. there's only a lot of grey if one doesn't accept the latter, and the acceptance of the former is not credible. for majority of the gestation the embryo/fetus is not remote viable outside the womb, we have only pushed that back some weeks with modern medical intervention.